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<div dir="auto">I did over-simplify so the point was better understood. On the optical gateways, these exist already: <a href="https://mynaric.com/products/ground-capabilities/" target="_blank">https://mynaric.com/products/ground-capabilities/</a><br />
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Once you have an optical mesh in orbit, the only practical way to provide it with massive capacity is optical links - there isn’t enough radio spectrum that would do it (without a massive ground gateway network with enough physical separation). You can create a network of optical gateways that guarantees a number of them will not be impared by cloud cover at any given time. Optical has the advantage of being license-free, too.</div>
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Mike</div>
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<div name="messageReplySection">On Feb 22, 2022, 10:20 +0300, Dick Roy <dickroy@alum.mit.edu>, wrote:<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style='font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b> <font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] <b><span style='font-weight: bold'>On Behalf Of</span></b> Mike Puchol<br />
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 21, 2022 9:35 PM<br />
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Daniel AJ Sokolov; David Lang<br />
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net<br />
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A satellite under full load can saturate two gateway links by itself. If you load, say, 20 satellites in an orbital plane, onto a single gateway, over ISL, you effectively have 5% of each satellite’s capacity available (given an equal distribution of demand, of course there will be satellites with no UTs to cover etc.).<font color="navy"><span style='color:navy'></span></font></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy; font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>[RR] I think to do this analysis correctly; one needs to consider the larger system and the time-varying loads on the components thereof. What you say is true; just a bit over-simplified to be maximally useful. Routing through complex congested networks is well-studied problem and hnts at possible solutions can probably be found there</span></font></i></b><b><i><font size="2" color="navy" face="Wingdings"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Wingdings;color:navy;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>J</span></font></i></b><b><i><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>)</span></font></i></b></p>
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Eventually they will go for optical gateways, it’s the only way to get enough capacity to the constellation, specially the 30k satellite version.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy; font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>[RR] What do you mean by “”optical gateway”? An optical link from the satellite to the ground station? That would be real expensive at least power-wise and unreliable.</span></font></i></b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'></span></font></p>
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They told me that I could try it, and it may work, may be degraded a<br />
bit, or may not work at all. They do plan to add roaming capabilities in<br />
the future (my guess is that the laser satellites will enable a lot more<br />
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Isn't that a very optimistic assessment? :-)<br />
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Laser links are great for remote locations with very few users, but how<br />
could they relieve overbooking of Starlink in areas with too many users?<br />
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The laser links can reduce the required density of ground stations, but<br />
they don't add capacity to the network. Any ground station not built<br />
thanks to laser links adds load to other ground stations - and, maybe<br />
more importantly, adds load to the satellite that does eventually<br />
connect to a ground station.<br />
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Can laser links really help on a large scale, or are they just a small<br />
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My thinking is that the laser links will make it possible to route the traffic<br />
from wherever I am to the appropriate ground station that I'm registered with as<br />
opposed to the current bent-pipe approach where, if I move to far from my<br />
registered location, I need to talk to a different ground station.<br />
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Currently there are two limits in any area for coverage:<br />
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1. satellite bandwidth<br />
2. ground station bandwidth<br />
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laser links will significantly reduce the effect of the second one.<br />
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We know that they can do mobile dishes (they are testing it currently on Elon's<br />
gulfstream, FAR more mobile that I will ever be :-) )<br />
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David Lang<br />
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