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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/03/2022 7:38 pm, Dick Roy wrote:<br>
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                      From: Starlink
                      [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net">mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>] On
                      Behalf Of Ulrich
                      Speidel<br>
                      Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 4:14 PM<br>
                      To: David Lang<br>
                      Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink Digest, Vol 12,
                      Issue 6</span></font></p>
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                <p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier
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                      10.0pt">True, but Starlink is designed as a high
                      bandwidth, low latency (OK, we
                      <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
                <p class="MsoPlainText"><font size="2" face="Courier
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                      10.0pt">won't mention their bufferbloat issues
                      again here), and (currently) low
                      <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                      10.0pt">Bandwidth-wise, good old Shannon and
                      Hartley are agnostic about whether
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                      10.0pt">you divide your channel between 1 or a
                      million users. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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                          But they are
                          assuming a “single” channel in the time
                          domain.  When you can
                          take advantage of other dimensions (eg. space)
                          to create more channels, (aka SDMA)
                          the capacity goes up!</span></font></i></b></p>
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    <font size="2"><font face="Courier New"><i><b>Taken as read - but
            it's beside the point. Shannon-Hartley allows you to do what
            was proposed - turning a channel that supplies a small
            number of users with a lot of capacity each into one that
            supplies a large number of users with a little capacity
            each, and of course if you add diversity (space,
            polarisation, ...) then this applies even more so. But the
            point is that each communication system is designed around
            an expectation of how many users will access it, and that
            you can't simply take an existing technology and somehow
            assume that it will work with a larger number of users just
            because it's theoretically possible. Basically, you can't
            simply throw more dishys at the problem if you need to serve
            more users.</b></i></font></font><br>
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Dr. Ulrich Speidel

School of Computer Science

Room 303S.594 (City Campus)

The University of Auckland
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