<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hmmmm….. is ground station positioning more about geographic topology or managing subscriber density? I suspect it is easier to manage subscriber density (and aggregate traffic) by building higher capacity ground stations than by distributing ground stations.<br class=""><div class="">
<div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Gene<br class="">----------------------------------------------<br class="">Eugene Chang</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">IEEE Senior Life Member<br class=""><a href="mailto:eugene.chang@ieee.org" class="">eugene.chang@ieee.org</a><br class="">781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div>
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 28, 2022, at 11:14 PM, David Lang <<a href="mailto:david@lang.hm" class="">david@lang.hm</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">On Thu, 29 Sep 2022, Sebastian Moeller wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 29, 2022, at 09:50, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" class="">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Good point… that sure makes matching new capacity to new subscribers really hard.<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>[SM] Or easy: "just" add more satellites ;) some of the added capacity should also end up at new subscribers... SCNR<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">yep, which is what they are doing. ;-)<br class=""><br class="">there is some that they can do in terms of the ground station positioning, density, and connectivity.<br class=""><br class="">David Lang<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Regards<br class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Sebastian<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Gene<br class="">----------------------------------------------<br class="">Eugene Chang<br class="">IEEE Senior Life Member<br class=""><a href="mailto:eugene.chang@ieee.org" class="">eugene.chang@ieee.org</a><br class="">781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 28, 2022, at 6:29 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">that strip of land is different every orbit, a given satellite doesn't pass over the same land each orbit.<br class=""><br class="">David Lang<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 14:40:35 -1000<br class="">From: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org><br class="">To: David Lang <david@lang.hm><br class="">Cc: Eugene Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>, Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com>,<br class=""> Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net><br class="">Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering<br class="">Yes and no.<br class=""><br class="">Yes they can beef up the constellation, one section at a time. (For a given launch, the are enhancing a particular orbit.)<br class=""><br class="">Depending on your definition of “one area” when you say “not in any one area”.<br class="">Technically they would beef up an area in the shape of strips, where the strip is the ground under the orbit of the additional (new) satellites.<br class=""><br class="">Sorry, when I say “add service to an area”, it implies adding coverage to strips of land, the land under the new satellite orbit.<br class=""><br class="">https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink <https://satellitemap.space/?constellation=starlink><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Gene<br class="">----------------------------------------------<br class="">Eugene Chang<br class="">IEEE Senior Life Member<br class="">eugene.chang@ieee.org<br class="">781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:35 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">The Starlink satellites are in low orbit (<90 min), so you beef up the contellation overall, not in any one area.<br class=""><br class="">David Lang<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, 28 Sep 2022, Eugene Y Chang via Starlink wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:07:43 -1000<br class="">From: Eugene Y Chang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net><br class="">Reply-To: Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org><br class="">To: Dotzero <dotzero@gmail.com><br class="">Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net><br class="">Subject: Re: [Starlink] Starlink "Best Effort" offering<br class="">What is the definition and differences between regular and best effort service?<br class=""><br class="">Creating two bookings queue, wait list and best effort subscribers, the best effort subscribers are more “real”. With that, treating best effort subscribers as a (more) "real customer" backlog, it would be a good way to prioritize where to expand the constellation (i.e. where to add capacity).<br class=""><br class="">Gene<br class="">----------------------------------------------<br class="">Eugene Chang<br class="">IEEE Senior Life Member<br class="">eugene.chang@ieee.org<br class="">781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 28, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Dotzero via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I've been on the wait list for almost 10 months and just received an email that I can sign up for a "best efforts" offering. Seeing as they also indicated the estimated time for regular service is mid-2023, I decided to go with it (You don't lose your place on the wait list). You can also "pause" the best effort service so I don't really have anything to lose.<br class=""><br class="">Has anyone had experience with this offering? Any input appreciated. If it makes a difference, location is Central East Ohio.<br class=""><br class="">According to https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US <https://www.starlink.com/legal/documents/DOC-1002-69942-69?regionCode=US>, latency will be comparable to regular service, down will be 5-100mbs and up will be 1-10mps unless service is deprioritized due to congestion.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks in advance.<br class=""><br class="">Mike<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Starlink mailing list<br class="">Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net<br class="">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br class="">Starlink mailing list<br class="">Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net<br class="">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Starlink mailing list<br class="">Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net<br class="">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>