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SpaceX has given a more detailed statement of expenses to the Pentagon:</div>
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They have been "paid" in favorable publicity and have tested/refined things like mobile connectivity.</div>
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Aren't the companies that supply weapons, ammunition, etc. paid?</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of David Lang via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 14, 2022 10:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kurtis Heimerl <kheimerl@cs.washington.edu><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Starlink] Starlink no longer available to the Ukrainian army?</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Having now read more info on this, less significant than the $80m total figure
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is the $20m/month figure he quoted. With 15k dishes as the figure that they sent <br>
(separate from whatever has been purchased on the commercial side), that works <br>
out to 1.3k/dish/month, which is very high.<br>
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now, not being able to deploy reliable ground stations inside Ukraine could be <br>
driving up costs, plus the ongoing battle against jamming. But in his tweet he <br>
also cites satellite costs, which should not be allocated as "Ukraine related" <br>
costs (and I don't think the cyberdefense and jamming defense work should be <br>
either)<br>
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David Lang<br>
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2022, Kurtis Heimerl via Starlink wrote:<br>
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> This thread (<a href=""></a>https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/dim0kq/status/1580827171903635456__;!!P7nkOOY!reUDfoQpkbJ6YAQ6h436UHdL9D0lnxDeqlc29JPUsrl8V_02dlWYYFi4zfQ-CCRLKetEGxza7FjOyJDcUURE6WtPnA$ )<br>
> strongly argues that Starlink is largely paid for their service, at<br>
> least on the consumer side. I imagine there are significant<br>
> operational expenses in dealing with the various actors involved but<br>
> not on the basic model.<br>
><br>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 9:06 AM Juliusz Chroboczek via Starlink<br>
> <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > In essence, once you give something away for free, not even setting the<br>
>> > expectation that it’s a “freemium” model, it’s very hard to get out of it. If<br>
>> > you then claim your costs are way higher than what analysis work out, eyebrows<br>
>> > raise way above the hairline.<br>
>><br>
>> Uh. Hmm.<br>
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