<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 5:31 PM Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 1:45 AM Bruce Perens via Starlink<br>
I have rather hated the return of over-processed communications in<br>
the last decade, and the lack of a place to yell back at the screen. I<br>
liked blogs and websites and media that had comments, and better, had<br>
authors that read the comments.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do notice that a lot of retail companies have PR mechanisms that note their detractors, and they reach out and try to solve problems. I have had some offer retroactive discounts after I noted issues online.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I like a wacking good, long form, debate... which is why I miss netnews and email so much.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't think it's the medium so much as the demographic. Many of us here thought for decades that we would enhance freedom and democracy through the internet. It didn't work out the way we expected. Our view was biased by the fact that the early internet demographic was technical folks who valued logic and argument to consensus. The later internet doesn't have that same demographic.</div><div><br></div><div>And you can be sure that I did not mean for Open Source to be mainly something that large businesses would participate in for their own benefit. There are a lot of folks who re-stated the goals of Open Source after the fact. I was just trying to reach people who would not have been sympathetic to RMS's presentation. I care a lot more for the people than for companies that could not possibly need my help.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I don't see "far-right" conspiracy theorism except from commenters.<br>
Got a concrete example?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oh sure. Here's one example: <a href="https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1532899718401073152/photo/1">https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1532899718401073152/photo/1</a></div><div>There are quite a lot more and I can go collect them if I have to. I just took a few minutes to dig back that far. Elon also has, I think, 9 children by about 5 different women, and he has written many, many posts about how we need to make more babies to support industry or society will collapse. Which disregards the fact that nothing that the vast majority of us do in our entire lives will have so great a negative effect upon the environment as having a child.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I am hopefully well known as a pretty rigorously "fair" person.[1]</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I get the article, but this is something that people aspire to and never reach. Stop saying that about yourself and just quietly try to achieve it, people will think better of you that way. </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Elon has definitely shifted right in the past years moving from california to texas,</blockquote><div><br></div><div>IMO this is effect rather than cause. As far as I can tell he lost the governor on his mouth during his relationship with Grimes, not sure whether that was cause or not.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">- in order to sell "green technology" into the other half of the country, he needs to talk to things that those folk care about.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't think it works that way, unfortunately. There are essentially two camps, one of which believes that god gave us the world to use up before the rapture (or their own religion's version of that), and the other does not base their entire world-view on scripture. The Jesuit cliche is true: "give me a child before the age of 7 and I have them for life". It is very difficult for most people to reverse that early learning whatever logical argument they are faced with.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">the effects of population collapse can be demonstrated in aging populations in Japan, especially, who have also made a big investment into robotization.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The main change is that women aren't slaves to the family for their whole lives any longer, but have careers and education. Japan's population only reached its peak in 2008. So it can't be because of that. We have two big changes: Women aren't slaves to the family for their whole lives any longer, but have careers and education. And people live to be older, and the Japanese live to be older than most populations, probably because of better diet - lots more fish than most Americans, etc. You can look up the lifespan graph, it's increasing by 0.14/year.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
It is impossible to be endearing to all people.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Actually, most corporate officers do not broadcast their opinion on every topic under the sun, and thus avoid this issue for their companies.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
A really good question might be - what would steve jobs' have done, in this situation? Think different?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Steve quietly supported liberal and democratic causes with his money, but was not the public speaker for these causes because that would have been bad for Apple and Pixar (and NeXT, back then).</div><div><br></div><div>Others are better qualified to speak about Gandhi, Pol Pot, and Winston Churchill.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
and if someone could tell ME what my politics are after reading that</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, we tend to conflate our politics into one thing when it should be a long list of different things starting with economics. You will understand yourself much better by trying to separate all of the pieces.</div><div><br></div><div>Before you blame inflation on our own folks, note that the UK Pound was a literal pound weight of silver at one time. It's a hard problem and few nations have avoided it.</div><div><br></div><div> Bruce</div></div></div>