<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 5:52 PM Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Space is a big place, and I'm pretty sure the orbit, impact, and debris could be tracked.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Actually, no. The Space Shuttle got a very concerning bulls-eye in its front cockpit window a few decades ago from a tiny paint chip. The speed of two objects in counter-rotating orbits when they hit imparts a truly large amount of energy. And there are now so many such things that there is a significant risk to suited astronauts on EVAs.</div><div><br></div><div>NORAD will not actually tell us how small an object it can track, nor how many, this being something potentially of interest to enemies. The Satellite Catalog that they publish covers objects of 10 cm diameter and larger, a 1U PocketQube satellite is 5x5x5 cm plus antennas that bring it to 10 cm, and the early ephemerides published by NORAD for such objects can be inaccurate. We aren't allowed to launch anything smaller.</div><div><br></div><div>We also are now required to provide a position-changing ability to avoid collisions, and active re-entry at the end of the life of a satellite. This is mainly about the potential for Kessler Syndrome.</div><div><br></div><div>The 60 years of thinking that orbital space is so big that we don't have to concern ourselves with debris are definitely over.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
What would you do with a starship that after launch, due to lost tiles, or other problems is certain to burn up on re-entry? Why not test getting out of orbit?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Put it somewhere that you can use the habitable volume. Starship potentially has a larger habitable volume than ISS. That is <i>without</i> converting the tanks.</div><div><br></div><div>Otherwise, if you have the delta-V to get there, there is a junkyard orbit above geosynchronous. Things will stay there for a really long time. The other option is a controlled re-entry with a known termination in the middle of an ocean.</div><div><br></div><div>China drops entire stages on farmers fields and rural roads in their own country quite often, but this is not thought well of by others.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
That takes all the fun out of it. Impact is so much easier. Our knowledge of the solar system is only skin deep.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>People are even starting to get annoyed about stuff that hits the moon, although this doesn't create orbital debris unless the energy is really huge.</div><div><br></div><div> Thanks</div><div><br></div><div> Bruce</div></div></div>