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<p>Greetings from Hiroshima where, on August 6, 1945, at this time
in the morning, I would've had a couple of minutes left to live
where I am sitting and typing this now. Makes one think. Neither
Russia nor Ukraine respect the right to conscientious objection.
Seeing my colleagues at work who are from mixed Russian and
Ukrainian families makes it hit home daily what war means to them
and their loved ones. Having to worry about a top student of mine
whose Russian parents' business is affected by the war, and who
may not be able to pay his international student fees next year,
and may have to return home to face conscription and the meat
grinder. He could be one of those who we see gleeful YouTube
videos of, having bombs dropped on them from drones, with no
shelter, wriggling in pain as they take their last breath. Makes
me forget the price tag of the missiles for the moment.<br>
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<p>That said, the Starlink WiFi router is of course only one RF
source a detector might want to zero in on, and as it's been
pointed out it's easily camouflaged or spoofed on the RF side of
things. The satcom signal off the Dishy is another, and it's not
as easily spoofed. However, Dishy will point itself where it can
see most relay-capable satellites, which in Ukraine will be in a
western or northwestern direction. Which means pointing the signal
away from Russia and the detectors in most cases. Russians are by
and large clever folks (never judge a people by its autocratic
leaders) and are probably well aware of this. So we can book that
military blog entry under fog of war misinformation.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/12/2022 5:07 am, Dave Taht via
Starlink wrote:<br>
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 7:54 AM Eric via Starlink<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net"><starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net></a> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Get a bunch of US$3 ESP8266 devices, set them up in AP mode
with spoofed Starlink MACs and BSSIDs, power them with solar cells
+ old vape-pen batteries and spread them all over the place.
There's nothing like causing the other side to shoot $50k missiles
at a $15 decoy.<br>
<br>
Well, the difference in amount of traffic generated by an idle AP
vs<br>
one in use would be large, and the interference<br>
caused by simulating traffic on the other APs a pita, but narrow<br>
channels and a bunch of APs does thin the herd.<br>
<br>
Meshy mode, at least adhoc, has fewer identifying signatures in
the<br>
packet header, making an "AP" less obvious.<br>
<br>
><br>
> ------- Original Message -------<br>
> On Sunday, December 18th, 2022 at 20:49, David Lang via
Starlink <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net"><starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net></a> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> > and change the name of the starlink wifi so it doesn't
stand out as much.<br>
> ><br>
> > David Lang<br>
> ><br>
> > On Mon, 19 Dec 2022, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > > From the beginning, the general rule is don't use
Starlink WiFi. Or<br>
> > > hide the router somewhere to reduce RF emissions.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > We have developed a set of rules and
recommendations about using a PoE<br>
> > > injector or bypassing the Starlink router.<br>
> > > Unfortunately, a lot of people ignore safety.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > But there are some countermeasures on the way.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 12/19/22 05:03, Oleg Kutkov via Starlink wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > > Actually, there is nothing special.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > You can capture WiFi beacons and get a BSSID
with a good directional<br>
> > > > antenna. 10 - 15 km it's not a problem.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > They are filtering Starlink router BSSID to
figure out that somewhere<br>
> > > > there is Starlink.<br>
> > > > Starlink WiFi router uses Tibro corp. (74:24:
prefix).<br>
> > > > On 12/19/22 04:41, Dave Taht via Starlink
wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > > Starlink detector boasted about... 10km
range.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <a href="https://www.notebookcheck.net/Starlink-terminal-detection-radar-to-enter-testing-in-Ukraine-as-per-Russian-military-blogger.675439.0.html" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.notebookcheck.net/Starlink-terminal-detection-radar-to-enter-testing-in-Ukraine-as-per-Russian-military-blogger.675439.0.html</a><br>
> > ><br>
> > > > > I would have figured on starlinks less
further front, combined with<br>
> > > > > non los radios and ptp wifi being viable.
Targeting every wifi<br>
> > > > > transmitter is a low percentage play, and
adhoc modes for directional<br>
> > > > > wifi with synthetic mac's harder to
distinguish ...<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > >
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