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may</i> be able to repeat your benchmarks, if you have something that shows the methodology, tools, parameters, etc. that were used. (The linked document does not have that level of detail.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F5587">Adam Thompson<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> February 17, 2023 10:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Adam Thompson <athompson@merlin.mb.ca><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniel C. Eckert <eckertd@gmail.com>; starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Starlink] VPN woes, recommendations?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 8:39 AM Adam Thompson via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry, forgot to answer the first part: yes, absent the tunnel, we get ~200/8 consistently, occasionally bursting higher.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">you really should test more deeply, and for longer periods than 15 seconds.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I keep hoping someone with business class service will repeat these 2 year old benchmarks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Get <a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" target="_blank">Outlook for Android</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Daniel C. Eckert <<a href="mailto:eckertd@gmail.com" target="_blank">eckertd@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 17, 2023 10:36:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Adam Thompson <<a href="mailto:athompson@merlin.mb.ca" target="_blank">athompson@merlin.mb.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a> <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Starlink] VPN woes, recommendations?</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Interesting scenario. This reply only addresses a small part of your message: While I see you've done the math and checked the specs for the Aruba devices -- have
you already conducted a few non-VPN tests between direct-wire-connected laptops/devices at those two locations to know what "baseline" bandwidth you're starting from when considering the max potential bandwidth for the encrypted traffic? For example, since
you're on a business plan, you should have a direct public IP to target with iperf traffic from either end, even if not encrypted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We've been trying to develop a plug-and-play L2 VPN over Starlink, using Aruba Hospitality-series Remote APs like their RAP-505H.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's not going great, and I'm wondering about several Starlink-specific issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, having multiple devices in serial is generally not a great idea for reliability. Can we realistically plug our remote AP directly into the dish, still? (This is using Starlink Business, FWIW.). I know we lose access to the Starlink
app, but we also lose a NATing router and an unwanted wifi AP, so that's probably a net zero. I just don't know what other dangers/problems that topology might cause.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Secondly, we're only able to push about 30Mbps through the (magical Aruba-proprietary GRE+IPsec) tunnel. The bandwidth-delay equations suggest we should be seeing around 100Mbps, not 30. (The Aruba devices are rated for ~2Gbps encrypted
at the site end, and ~7Gbps at the head end, so presumably that's not the bottleneck.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">* does anyone have corroborating *or* contradicting evidence of VPN performance over Starlink's particular flavor of Long Fat Pipe, and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">* does anyone have any positive (or negative, I guess!) recommendations for cloud-managed VPN devices that can do at least 100M and magically work from behind double-NAT/CGNAT like we see with Starlink? Bonus points if it does L2 tunnels
or can run a dynamic routing protocol.<o:p></o:p></p>
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