<div><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, you can run a business (HP) dish without the router, it comes with an Ethernet cable. You can put a static route to 192.168.100.1 and still get the stats/app.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You can also request a static IP. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 8:39 AM Adam Thompson via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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<div dir="auto">Sorry, forgot to answer the first part: yes, absent the tunnel, we get ~200/8 consistently, occasionally bursting higher.</div></div><div>
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Interesting scenario. This reply only addresses a small part of your message: While I see you've done the math and checked the specs for the Aruba devices -- have you already conducted a few non-VPN tests between direct-wire-connected laptops/devices at those
two locations to know what "baseline" bandwidth you're starting from when considering the max potential bandwidth for the encrypted traffic? For example, since you're on a business plan, you should have a direct public IP to target with iperf traffic from
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 11:30 AM Adam Thompson via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi, all.</div>
<div dir="auto">We've been trying to develop a plug-and-play L2 VPN over Starlink, using Aruba Hospitality-series Remote APs like their RAP-505H.</div>
<div dir="auto">It's not going great, and I'm wondering about several Starlink-specific issues.</div>
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<div dir="auto">First, having multiple devices in serial is generally not a great idea for reliability. Can we realistically plug our remote AP directly into the dish, still? (This is using Starlink Business, FWIW.). I know we lose access to the Starlink
app, but we also lose a NATing router and an unwanted wifi AP, so that's probably a net zero. I just don't know what other dangers/problems that topology might cause.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Secondly, we're only able to push about 30Mbps through the (magical Aruba-proprietary GRE+IPsec) tunnel. The bandwidth-delay equations suggest we should be seeing around 100Mbps, not 30. (The Aruba devices are rated for ~2Gbps encrypted at
the site end, and ~7Gbps at the head end, so presumably that's not the bottleneck.)</div>
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<div dir="auto">* does anyone have corroborating *or* contradicting evidence of VPN performance over Starlink's particular flavor of Long Fat Pipe, and</div>
<div dir="auto">* does anyone have any positive (or negative, I guess!) recommendations for cloud-managed VPN devices that can do at least 100M and magically work from behind double-NAT/CGNAT like we see with Starlink? Bonus points if it does L2 tunnels or
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<div dir="auto">* Other comments or suggestions welcome, too.</div>
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