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<p>It's not so bad, but it's unusual and very probably quite
different from your client's situation. If your client's
performance is impaired as a result of lack of bandwidth (large
user base in cell or neighbourhood) or service drop-outs due to
obstructions or failure to find a usable satellite with a teleport
view, or if it's a result of the way Starlink manages fixed
subscription bandwidth, then you wouldn't see this on a test with
our system here. <br>
</p>
<p>The test site you're looking at has a higher satellite density
overhead than we do (closer to 53rd parallel, which helps), but
its position relative to gateway locations isn't quite as ideal as
ours, and it has far more other users in the neighbourhood than we
do, with quite a few cells at capacity. So, cumulatively, I'd
expect slightly worse service there compared to here. You really
want to try with someone in the area there, or you're in for a
wild goose chase.</p>
<p>I remember years ago when WiFi in our lecture theatres was new,
they'd put the access point in the now surplus projectionist's
booth at the back. It would reach the lectern at the front, so
those of us needing WiFi for teaching there could set up with
connectivity. But then your class would enter, and before you knew
it, there'd be a couple of dozen laptops and other WiFi-enabled
devices closer to the access point, and poor me at the front would
lose connectivity. Of course, any complaints to the powers that be
would be investigated with lecture theatre empty, and deemed
frivolous!<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/03/2023 10:00 am, Sauli Kiviranta
via Starlink wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAJbqEYCzLR9r_1xqrPR3qrjvBzh-u3nrx86Au8rKzY8WCb-BDQ@mail.gmail.com">
Thank you Ulrich for sharing the material!<br>
<br>
I was finally able to get rough estimate of the test site,
pictures<br>
attached. Comparison with your satellite map from the
presentation,<br>
with my limited experience, looks like the situation is not so
bad?<br>
<br>
Really strange, maybe the only option is the local obstructions.<br>
Alternatively it was just unfortunate routing for the call on our<br>
side, very hard to judge. Now the pivot point is determined by the<br>
call source.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Sauli<br>
<br>
<br>
On 01/03/2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net"><starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net></a> wrote:<br>
> On 1/03/2023 3:41 am, Sauli Kiviranta via Starlink wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Based on your location in NZ you should be among the best
tests in<br>
>> terms of worst possible location in relation to our infra
for delays.<br>
><br>
> Actually, probably we're anything but ideal here. Our
Starlink kit is an<br>
> RV subscription one (our campus is too built-up for a fixed
one and H&S<br>
> gets in the way of going onto any roof with students). RV
subscription<br>
> capacity is managed differently from fixed subscriptions,
which is what<br>
> most people have (we see much more variation in goodput and
RTT than<br>
> what I've seen fixed users report).<br>
><br>
> Also, our location here gives us a number of "unfair
advantages" in<br>
> terms of Starlink: proximity to multiple gateways (lost of
choice in<br>
> terms of sats visible from both UT and GW to route through),<br>
> neighbourhood on a cheap high fibre diet (not much
competition for<br>
> capacity from other users in the cell), small extended
neighbourhood<br>
> (some of which is already saturated). See my slides of a
panel talk I<br>
> gave the other day at APNIC55 under<br>
> <a href="https://conference.apnic.net/55/assets/files/APPS314/starlink-first-impre_1677543480.pdf" moz-do-not-send="true">https://conference.apnic.net/55/assets/files/APPS314/starlink-first-impre_1677543480.pdf</a>.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> So I'm not sure how comparable our situation would be with
that of your<br>
> customer.<br>
><br>
>> Do you mind running POINTR network analysis and see what
kind of<br>
>> results you get? We did some tests with mining industry
in Australia<br>
>> with sat but it is already few years ago not Starlink.<br>
><br>
> Australia is topologically further away from Finland than NZ
- if you do<br>
> a traceroute, you should see your traffic go via the US, and
then<br>
> depending on the cable it takes down to Oceania, it may
actually transit<br>
> NZ (Southern Cross cable) before hitting Australia.<br>
><br>
> I'll see what I can do in terms of POINTR once our industrial
action<br>
> here ends (I'm currently nominally on strike, but then again
I'd<br>
> probably be on here even if I didn't get paid ;-)).<br>
><br>
>> Even better if<br>
>> you have two devices, register them then call to yourself
so both<br>
>> endpoints go through the Starlink to see if everything or
anything<br>
>> works and what type of delays you experience (double
trouble!).<br>
>><br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>> Sauli<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 28/02/2023, Ulrich Speidel via Starlink<br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net"><starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net></a> wrote:<br>
>> > I think you may find this difficult to reproduce
unless you actually go<br>
>> > and see your customer.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Starlink isn't the same as Starlink. How it works
depends on:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > * Where your dishy is and where the closest
gateway(s) is/are. This<br>
>> > determines the number of options that the system has
to route<br>
>> > between you and the gateway. The closer, the more
options,<br>
>> > generally, as the number of sats that both you and
the gateway can<br>
>> > see decreases, as a rule of thumb, with distance
between you and<br>
>> > gateway.<br>
>> > * Where you are also matters. Satellite density is
highest at 53 deg<br>
>> > north and 53 deg south. Starlink units between these
parallels will<br>
>> > look in the direction of their hemisphere when
looking for a<br>
>> > satellite. Units at higher latitudes ... well
someone tell me where<br>
>> > they look!<br>
>> > * How many other Starlink users there are (a) in
your cell and (b) in<br>
>> > the neighbourhood of your cell. This determines the
share of<br>
>> > capacity you'll get off the system. The fewer
competing users, the<br>
>> > better.<br>
>> > * What sort of backhaul the gateway is on. I only
see IPv4 here in NZ<br>
>> > but some folk are on IPv6, and I guess the backhaul
network beyond<br>
>> > Starlink's control also matters in terms of
bufferbloat etc.<br>
>> > * Weather<br>
>> > * Obstructions (Starlink can works pretty well with
a moderate degree<br>
>> > of obstruction, but obviously, as stated above, the
more options the<br>
>> > system has...)<br>
>> > * Available bandwidth (did Starlink get all the
frequencies that it<br>
>> > would have wanted at your customer's site or just
some?) - that's a<br>
>> > regulatory issue.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Basically, you could be comparing apples and pears
here.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 1/03/2023 12:53 am, Sauli Kiviranta via Starlink
wrote:<br>
>> >> Thank you for the testing so far!<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Special thanks to Nathan for the test call
yesterday, looks like<br>
>> >> everything works. I was shocked how good the
Starlink performed, I was<br>
>> >> in disbelief how well it worked since on my side
I was also on 4G and<br>
>> >> the performance was spectacular. Not the usual<br>
>> >> 8000km-and-sat-inbetween feeling.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> So far we have not been able to reproduce the
errors, if the call is<br>
>> >> initiated from US it will route through the
local infra. So this could<br>
>> >> be one issue, if someone wants to make another
test call we can route<br>
>> >> it through EU.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Anyone in Canada capable of making a test? Even
to just run the<br>
>> >> network analysis.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I will meanwhile have to point the finger at the
customer if there are<br>
>> >> no signs of failure in any of the tests, I hate
that. Fixing a juicy<br>
>> >> bug is better than having configuration when
things just fail "without<br>
>> >> reason".<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I can also provide additional test tools if
someone is interested in<br>
>> >> more bolts and nuts testing. Send me an email
with platform preference<br>
>> >> and I will share the test kit.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Best regards,<br>
>> >> Sauli<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 27/02/2023,
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>> >> > 1. Debugging connection through Starlink
(POINTR) (Sauli Kiviranta)<br>
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>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Message: 1<br>
>> >> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 10:58:53 +0200<br>
>> >> > From: Sauli Kiviranta
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:smksauli@gmail.com"><smksauli@gmail.com></a><br>
>> >> > To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a><br>
>> >> > Subject: [Starlink] Debugging connection
through Starlink (POINTR)<br>
>> >> > Message-ID:<br>
>> >> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:CAJbqEYCDQOqqfpt4=gEpGV37URRh2UvGLjKV1XEpNPm1bxMu3Q@mail.gmail.com"><CAJbqEYCDQOqqfpt4=gEpGV37URRh2UvGLjKV1XEpNPm1bxMu3Q@mail.gmail.com></a><br>
>> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Dear Starlink users,<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > I have a request for help on debugging a
customer issue. We have<br>
>> users<br>
>> >> > in Canada who are using our industrial
remote collaboration tool<br>
>> >> > POINTR (<a href="http://www.pointr.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.pointr.com</a><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.pointr.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.pointr.com</a>><br>
>> >> <<a href="http://www.pointr.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.pointr.com</a><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.pointr.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.pointr.com</a>>>)<br>
>> >> and have issues connecting through Starlink<br>
>> >> > (Standard HTTPS). We cannot reproduce their
case as we have no<br>
>> >> > Starlink at our disposal.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > If you would be kind enough to download
POINTR (either from the app<br>
>> >> > stores or from our website: <a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads</a>><br>
>> >> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads</a>>>).<br>
>> >> The<br>
>> >> > app itself follows standard SMS validation
loop, if this is an<br>
>> issue I<br>
>> >> > can provide you with virtual number with
email validation.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Problem 1: Can you connect to the servers?<br>
>> >> > - Once you try to complete registration
loop, you should get an<br>
>> >> > error<br>
>> >> > that you are offline indicative that
servers cannot be reached (AWS,<br>
>> >> > Ireland/US/Brazil/Japan).<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Problem 2: What is the perceived network
quality within the app?<br>
>> >> > - Considering the outlined server
distribution, if you run the<br>
>> network<br>
>> >> > analysis, can you take a screenshot and
share it? (Example<br>
>> >> > attached).<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Problem 3: What is the call quality between
your devices?<br>
>> >> > - If you can run network analysis, can you
register another device<br>
>> >> > of<br>
>> >> > yours (same mobile number is ok) and call
between your own devices<br>
>> >> > to<br>
>> >> > test how the video streaming goes through
and what type of delay you<br>
>> >> > experience? I will be also available for
test calls if you want to<br>
>> >> > establish a call between your location and
Finland: +358 40 357 3272<br>
>> >> > (group calls up to 7 users).<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Additionally any technical feedback on the
behavior will be<br>
>> >> > appreciated specially if you experience
issues.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Best regards,<br>
>> >> > Sauli Kiviranta<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > <a href="http://www.deltacygnilabs.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.deltacygnilabs.com</a><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.deltacygnilabs.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.deltacygnilabs.com</a>><br>
>> >> <<a href="http://www.deltacygnilabs.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.deltacygnilabs.com</a><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.deltacygnilabs.com" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.deltacygnilabs.com</a>>><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Downloads:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Android:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> <a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DeltaCygniLabs.Pointr" moz-do-not-send="true">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DeltaCygniLabs.Pointr</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DeltaCygniLabs.Pointr" moz-do-not-send="true">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DeltaCygniLabs.Pointr</a>><br>
>> >><br>
>> <<a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DeltaCygniLabs.Pointr" moz-do-not-send="true">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DeltaCygniLabs.Pointr</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DeltaCygniLabs.Pointr" moz-do-not-send="true">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.DeltaCygniLabs.Pointr</a>>><br>
>> >> > APK:<br>
>> >> > <a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-android" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-android</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-android" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-android</a>><br>
>> >> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-android" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-android</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-android" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-android</a>>><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > iOS:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> <a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pointr-easy-remote-support/id1073131903" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pointr-easy-remote-support/id1073131903</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pointr-easy-remote-support/id1073131903" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pointr-easy-remote-support/id1073131903</a>><br>
>> >><br>
>> <<a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pointr-easy-remote-support/id1073131903" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pointr-easy-remote-support/id1073131903</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pointr-easy-remote-support/id1073131903" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pointr-easy-remote-support/id1073131903</a>>><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > UWP:<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> <a href="https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/pointr-easy-remote-support/9NBLGGH52R41" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/pointr-easy-remote-support/9NBLGGH52R41</a><br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/pointr-easy-remote-support/9NBLGGH52R41" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/pointr-easy-remote-support/9NBLGGH52R41</a>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> <<a href="https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/pointr-easy-remote-support/9NBLGGH52R41" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/pointr-easy-remote-support/9NBLGGH52R41</a><br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/pointr-easy-remote-support/9NBLGGH52R41" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/pointr-easy-remote-support/9NBLGGH52R41</a>>><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Windows:<br>
>> >> > <a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-windows" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-windows</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-windows" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-windows</a>><br>
>> >> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-windows" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-windows</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-windows" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.pointr.com/downloads/#pointr-windows</a>>><br>
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