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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>What’s missing in this math is how much cheaper (and better) the installation is if you displace or hang from the existing copper usually in great position below the electricity and almost no makeready in this case. Problem is getting rid of the almost but not quite unused copper plus ownership problems. I was on an FCC TAC which tried to plan for this 14 years ago but came to nothing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Also could be burying fiber and electric with road repaving which is way over-funded to increase reliability and decrease ongoing maintenance costs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Starlink <starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rich Brown via Starlink<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 29, 2023 1:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Lang <david@lang.hm><br><b>Cc:</b> Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>; dan <dandenson@gmail.com>; Dave Collier-Brown <dave.collier-Brown@indexexchange.com>; libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>; bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Starlink] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] Enabling a production model<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mar 29, 2023, at 1:13 PM, David Lang via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The problem is that laying cable (or provisioning wifi access to cover the area) is expensive, and if you try to have multiple different companies doing it, they each need a minimum density of users to make it worth their while.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, this stuff is expensive, Here is reasonably current order-of-magnitude cost breakdown for a rural NH town nearby:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1) $55,000 per road-mile to design the system, get licenses to install on the utility poles, "make ready" (to check that the poles are ready for new facilities) and to hang the fiber on the pole. Installing coax would save $5K to $8K per mile.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2) $2,000 to $4,000 per premise to install the drop from the utility pole to the building, bring the fiber into the building and install the router. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>3) Pole rental (in NH) is about $10/pole/year. Divide miles of road by 200 feet between poles to get an estimate of the number of poles.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So density of customers is critical for the business case. That's why there are so many monopoly providers - it's costly to overbuild an already served area.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>