<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 09:16, Hayden Simon <<a href="mailto:h@uber.nz">h@uber.nz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>How do you apply a statement like that to the middle east? 20million people in Cairo / Giza; 110million (I think?) total in Egypt. Fuel is NZ$0.50c/litre; cars freaking everywhere running all day long. Average salaries are very low. How would they afford the transition away from fossil fuels?  You could extend that same question to any developing economy.<br><br>We're never going to be able to make a useful dent in emissions until we address the developing world.<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div>I come from a developing country. Our government is giving tax breaks on hybrid and EVs on import. I agree that there is more we can do ...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><br><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:1px;direction:ltr"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="width:100%;font-size:1px"><tbody><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0px"><tbody><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="padding:13px 0px;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="width:540px;font-size:0px"><tbody><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="padding:0px 0px 10px;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0px"><tbody><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="padding:0px 20px;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0px"><tbody><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="width:520px;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0px;color:rgb(0,0,1);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;white-space:nowrap"><tbody><tr style="font-size:18.67px"><td align="left" style="vertical-align:top;font-family:"Arial Narrow"">HAYDEN<span style="font-family:remialcxesans;font-size:1px;color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:1px"></span> SIMON</td></tr><tr style="font-size:13.33px"><td align="left" style="vertical-align:top;font-family:"Arial Narrow"">UBER GROUP LIMITED</td></tr><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0px;color:rgb(228,0,140);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;white-space:nowrap"><tbody><tr style="font-size:13.33px"><td align="left" style="vertical-align:top;font-family:"Arial Narrow"">MANAGING DIRECTOR</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td align="left" style="width:80px;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0px;line-height:normal"><tbody><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="padding:0px 5px 0px 0px;vertical-align:top"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/UberGroup?_rdr=p" id="m_-6494252867146626751LPlnk689713" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><img src="https://uber.nz/app/uploads/signatures/uber-facebook-icon.png" border="0" alt="" style="font-size: 0px;"></a></td><td align="left" style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><a href="https://twitter.com/ubergroupltd" id="m_-6494252867146626751LPlnk689713" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><img src="https://uber.nz/app/uploads/signatures/uber-twitter-icon.png" border="0" alt="" style="font-size: 0px;"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="padding:10px 0px;border-top:1px solid rgb(0,0,1);border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0px"><tbody><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="padding:0px 20px;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="font-size:0px"><tbody><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="white-space:nowrap;color:rgb(0,0,1);font-size:14.67px;font-family:"Arial Narrow";font-weight:400;font-style:normal;text-align:left;line-height:21.33px"><tbody><tr style="font-size:14.67px"><td style="font-family:"Arial Narrow""><span style="color:rgb(228,0,140);font-weight:700">E:</span> <a href="mailto:h@uber.nz" id="m_-6494252867146626751LPlnk689713" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,0,1)" target="_blank">h@uber.nz</a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr style="font-size:0px"><td align="left" style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0" style="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