<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 10:56, Hayden Simon <<a href="mailto:h@uber.nz">h@uber.nz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5746452397065364953">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Woosh, the issues there must be significant. 1.2million people! I expect you’d import all your fuel? How is electricity generated there?</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div>Yes, our fuel is imported.</div><div><br></div><div>Coal burning is how we produce energy. There is a plan to become net zero. However, it's clear that it needs to happen sooner. I think that nuclear power is an option.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5746452397065364953"><div lang="EN-NZ" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-5746452397065364953WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Loganaden Velvindron <<a href="mailto:loganaden@gmail.com" target="_blank">loganaden@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 20, 2023 6:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hayden Simon <<a href="mailto:h@uber.nz" target="_blank">h@uber.nz</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> George C. G. Barbosa <<a href="mailto:gcgbarbosa@gmail.com" target="_blank">gcgbarbosa@gmail.com</a>>; Dave Taht via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 10:45, Hayden Simon <<a href="mailto:h@uber.nz" target="_blank">h@uber.nz</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. We have similar issues in Mauritius. We are also a small country. We have too many ICE cars on the road. However, we saw an increase in hybrid/EV purchases in 2022 and the number is growing for 2023. I'm not a Nissan fan, but the Nissan
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<b><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(228,0,140)">E:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,1)"> <a href="mailto:h@uber.nz" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,1);text-decoration:none">h@uber.nz</span></a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Loganaden Velvindron <<a href="mailto:loganaden@gmail.com" target="_blank">loganaden@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 20, 2023 6:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hayden Simon <<a href="mailto:h@uber.nz" target="_blank">h@uber.nz</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> George C. G. Barbosa <<a href="mailto:gcgbarbosa@gmail.com" target="_blank">gcgbarbosa@gmail.com</a>>; Dave Taht via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering...</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 09:16, Hayden Simon <<a href="mailto:h@uber.nz" target="_blank">h@uber.nz</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">How do you apply a statement like that to the middle east? 20million people in Cairo / Giza; 110million (I think?) total in Egypt. Fuel is NZ$0.50c/litre; cars freaking everywhere running
 all day long. Average salaries are very low. How would they afford the transition away from fossil fuels? You could extend that same question to any developing economy.<br>
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We're never going to be able to make a useful dent in emissions until we address the developing world.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I come from a developing country. Our government is giving tax breaks on hybrid and EVs on import. I agree that there is more we can do ...<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,1)">HAYDEN SIMON</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> On Behalf Of Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 5:06 PM<br>
To: George C. G. Barbosa <<a href="mailto:gcgbarbosa@gmail.com" target="_blank">gcgbarbosa@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Starlink] geo-engineering...<br>
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Switching to nuclear energy could be an option. We can all learn from France's experience. I agree that We should stop pumping CO2 in the atmosphere. ICE cars should be phased out more aggressively.<br>
Governments should give tax breaks to companies with work from home policies ?<br>
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 08:37, George C. G. Barbosa <<a href="mailto:gcgbarbosa@gmail.com" target="_blank">gcgbarbosa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> It could be a solution to the heat problem, but then we would keep pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, which would increase ocean acidification, which would disrupt the ecosystem even more. Plankton in the ocean accounts for roughly 1/2 of the oxygen we breathe.
 My point is: this is a hard problem. The solution won't be simple.<br>
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> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 9:27 PM Loganaden Velvindron via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> This should get deployed asap.<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 02:55 Dave Taht via Starlink <<a href="mailto:starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>> MIT has a pretty innovative proposal here:<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="https://senseable.mit.edu/space-bubbles/" target="_blank">https://senseable.mit.edu/space-bubbles/</a><br>
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https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:705879391022711</a><br>
>>> 1937/<br>
>>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos<br>
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