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<div dir="auto">And the excuse for not hiring women in the Criminal Division was they have to deal with all these tough types, and women aren't up to that. And I was amazed. I said, have you seen the lawyers at legal aid who are representing these tough types? They're all women.<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">People ask me sometimes, when — when do you think it will it be enough? When will there be enough women on the court? And my answer is when there are nine. RBG<br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote" >On Dec 16, 2023, at 9:30 AM, rjmcmahon via Nnagain <<a href="mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net" target="_blank">nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="blue">The president who ran Harvey Mudd College had to fix their computer <br>science problem of a 90% to 10% male to female ratio. She was asked, <br>"What's the goal?" She responded, "It should reflect to population so <br>50/50." The others said, "Be realistic."<br><br>She was and she got it to 50/50 where it should be in every technology <br>group.Though we have more improvements to be done.<br><br><a href="https://hechingerreport.org/an-unnoticed-result-of-the-decline-of-men-in-college-its-harder-for-women-to-get-in">https://hechingerreport.org/an-unnoticed-result-of-the-decline-of-men-in-college-its-harder-for-women-to-get-in</a>/<br><br>There is now way to fix a problem without getting passed the denial <br>phase. This list population, and the LEO worshiping of Musk displayed <br>here by its constituents, are very much white male things. Not noticing <br>this & staying silent on this shows a lack of integrity by the group. My <br>judgment.<br><br>Bob<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> to be very clear, I am in no way saying that anyone's (let alone<br> saying women's) views are not desired. I think a diversity of views if<br> extremely valuable.<br> <br> I just get my back up when people say things like 'there need to more<br> X in charge' (for any value of X that refers to a characteristic that<br> someone is born with)<br> <br> David Lang<br> <br> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Dave Taht wrote:<br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> This is principally a male dominated list, and I in general assume<br> that the public debate over fiber, bandwidth, etc, etc skews heavily<br> male also.<br> <br> It is a very good set of questions to ask about how the internet<br> should be structured to best meet the needs of both sexes, and how<br> that has changed over time, and may change in the future! I hesitate<br> to even make one overbroad conclusion! Permanent connectivity and<br> messaging seems more important to women than men, and a phone more<br> important than fiber. Security (tracking and/or protecting kids),<br> also. It is something I would rather research than draw premature<br> conclusions from.<br> <br> <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+men+and+women+use+the+internet+differently">https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+men+and+women+use+the+internet+differently</a><br> <br> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:42 PM David Lang via Starlink<br> <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> why do you think telehealth won't work over LEO services?<br> <br> I've used it personally.<br> <br> Even if women use telehealth more than men, that doesn't say that <br> women have any<br> particular advantage in moving the bits around that make telehealth <br> possible.<br> <br> David Lang<br> <br> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:<br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #fcaf3e; padding-left: 1ex;"> Women are the primary users and providers of telehealth services. <br> They are<br> using broadband to care for our population. They also run most of <br> the<br> addiction services across our country, whatever the addiction may <br> be. So<br> gender actually matters. Ask them as providers. Telehealth doesn't <br> work over<br> LEO (nor does it matter much for men on boats.) Same for distance <br> learning.<br> <br> <a href="https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/women-more-likely-telehealth-patients-providers-covid-19-pandemic/608153">https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/women-more-likely-telehealth-patients-providers-covid-19-pandemic/608153</a>/<br> <br> As Washington considers which virtual care flexibilities should <br> remain in<br> place post-COVID-19, experts are flagging that paring back <br> telehealth access<br> and affordability will disproportionately affect women, even as a <br> growing<br> share of startups emerge to address women’s unique health needs.<br> <br> While women are more likely than men to visit doctors and consume <br> healthcare<br> services in general, telehealth seems to be uniquely attractive to <br> women.<br> <br> Bob<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #e9b96e; padding-left: 1ex;"> who exactly do you think is calling for there to be no Internet<br> access? and what in the world does the sex of individuals have to <br> do<br> with shipping bits around?<br> <br> Starlink (and hopefully it's future competitors) provides a way to <br> get<br> Internet service to everyone without having to run fiber to every<br> house.<br> <br> As for the parallels with rural electrification, if that problem <br> were<br> to be faced today, would the right answer be massive public <br> agencies<br> to build and run miles of wire from massive central power plants? <br> or<br> would the right answer be solar + batteries in individual houses <br> for<br> the most rural folks, with small modular reactors to power the <br> larger<br> population areas?<br> <br> Just because there was only one way to achieve a goal in the past<br> doesn't mean that approach is the best thing to do today.<br> <br> David Lang<br> <br> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, rjmcmahon wrote:<br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi All,<br> <br> We're trying to modernize America. LBJ helped do it for <br> electricity<br> decades ago. It's our turn to step up to the plate. Tele-health <br> and<br> distance learning requires us to do so. There is so much to <br> follow.<br> <br> A reminder what many women went through before LBJ showed up. I'm<br> skeptical a patriarchy under Musk is even close to capable. We <br> probably<br> need a woman to lead us, or at least motivate us to do our best <br> work for<br> our country and to be an example to the world.<br> <br> A Hill Country farm wife had to do her chores even if she was ill <br> – no<br> matter how ill. Because Hill Country women were too poor to afford <br> proper<br> medical care they often suffered perineal tears in childbirth. <br> During the<br> 1930s, the federal government sent physicians to examine a <br> sampling of<br> Hill Country women. The doctors found that, out of 275 women, 158 <br> had<br> perineal tears. Many of them, the team of gynecologists reported, <br> were<br> third-degree tears, “tears so bad that it is difficult to see how <br> they<br> stand on their feet.” But they were standing on their feet, and <br> doing all<br> the chores that Hill Country wives had always done – hauling the <br> water,<br> hauling the wood, canning, washing, ironing, helping with the <br> shearing,<br> the plowing and the picking.<br> <br> Because there was no electricity.<br> <br> Bob<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Fri, 15 Dec 2023, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote:<br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi Frantisek,<br> <br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Dec 15, 2023, at 13:46, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain<br> <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:<br> <br> Thus, technically speaking, one would like the advantages of <br> satcom<br> such as starlink, to be at least 5gbit/s in 10 years time, to <br> overcome<br> the 'tangled fiber' problem.<br> <br> No, not really. Starlink was about to address the issue of <br> digital<br> divide -<br></blockquote> <br> I beg to differ. Starlink is a commercial enterprise with the <br> goal to<br> make a profit by offering (usable) internet access essentially<br> everywhere; it is not as far as I can tell an attempt at <br> specifically<br> reducing the digital divide (were often an important factor is <br> not<br> necessarily location but financial means).<br></blockquote> <br> Every Inernet company " commercial enterprise with the goal to <br> make a<br> profit by offering (usable) internet" don't dismiss a company <br> because<br> of that. Starlink (and the other Satellite ISPs) all exist to <br> service<br> people who can't use traditional wired infrastructure<br> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ccc; padding-left: 1ex;"> delivering internet to those 640k locations, where there is <br> literally<br> none today. Fiber will NEVER get there. And it will get there, <br> it will<br> be like 10 years down the road.<br></blockquote> <br> This is IHO the wrong approach to take. The goal needs to be a<br> universal FTTH access network (with the exception of extreme <br> locations,<br> no need to pull fiber up to the highest Bivouac shelter on Mt. <br> Whitney).<br> And f that takes a decade or two, so be it, this is <br> infrastructure that<br> will keep on helping for many decades once rolled-out. However <br> given<br> that time frame one should consider work-arounds for the interim <br> period.<br> I would have naively thought starlink would qualify for that <br> from a<br> technical perspective, but then the FCC documents actually <br> discussion<br> requirements and how they were or were not met/promised by <br> starlink was<br> mostly redacted.<br></blockquote> <br> what do you consider 'extreme locations'? how long a run between<br> houses is 'too far'?<br> <br> we've seen the failure of commercial fiber monopolies in cities <br> with<br> housing density of several houses per acre (and even where there <br> are<br> apartment complexes there as well) because it's not profitable <br> enough.<br> When you get into areas where it's 'how many acres per house' the <br> cost<br> of running FTTH gets very high. I don't think this is the <br> majority of<br> the population of the US any longer (but I don't know for sure), <br> but<br> it's very clearly the majority of the area of the US. And once <br> you get<br> out of the major metro areas, even getting fiber to every town or<br> village becomes a major undertaking.<br> <br> Is running fiber 30 miles to support a village of 700 people an<br> 'extreme location'? let me introduce you to Vermontville MI<br> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermontville,_Michigan">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermontville,_Michigan</a> which is <br> less<br> than an hours drive from the state capitol.<br> <br> David Lang<br><hr><br> Nnagain mailing list<br> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net<br> <a href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain</a><br></blockquote> <br></blockquote></blockquote><hr><br></blockquote> Starlink mailing list<br> Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net<br> <a href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink</a><br></blockquote> <br> <br> <br> <br></blockquote></blockquote><hr><br>Nnagain mailing list<br>Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net<br><a href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain">https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain</a><br></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>