From: Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
To: dan <dandenson@gmail.com>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Mike Puchol <mike@starlink.sx>,bloat
<bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,libreqos
<libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] On FiWi
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:14:00 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <063359bf-5bf3-4688-852c-a7d81e6b80a3@rjmcmahon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA_JP8UcBjx_Tk0DSk_UF9hk4vW_GD2boJn32ytF-33VJW-3jg@mail.gmail.com>
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It's not discrete routers. It's more like a transceiver. WiFi is already splitting at the MAC for MLO. I perceive two choices for the split, one at the PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802.3 tunneling of 802.11 back to the FiWi head end. Use 802.3 to leverage merchant silicon supporting up to 200 or so RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there. I think a split PHY may not work well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted.
Bob
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On Mar 14, 2023, 10:54 AM, at 10:54 AM, dan <dandenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You could always do it yourself.
>>
>> Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them IT
>services. This need is only going to grow and grow. We can help by
>producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service
>providers.
>>
>> Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because he
>hated "the orifices." Probably time for many of us to revisit our
>belief set. Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly?
>>
>> FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment. Who does it is
>secondary.
>>
>> Bob
>
>most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol.
>
>I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime
>soon. If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just
>talking XGSPON or similar.
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2023-01-09 15:26 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04 ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 18:54 ` [Rpm] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56 ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-01-09 21:00 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] " Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12 ` [Rpm] " dan
2023-03-13 16:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26 ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 20:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 4:27 ` [Rpm] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:11 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
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2023-03-14 17:54 ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " dan
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2023-03-14 19:30 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
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2023-03-15 17:42 ` dan
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2023-03-15 19:39 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52 ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08 ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53 ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:39 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21 ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57 ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-18 20:40 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00 ` [Rpm] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 0:26 ` dan
2023-03-20 3:03 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28 ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02 ` [Rpm] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-21 0:10 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 5:21 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26 ` [Rpm] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
2023-03-21 12:29 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 12:30 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:42 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:51 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 19:58 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 20:06 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-25 19:39 ` [Rpm] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:09 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 20:47 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:15 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:50 ` dan
2023-03-25 23:21 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:35 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-26 0:04 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 0:07 ` Nathan Owens
2023-03-26 0:50 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26 8:45 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-03-26 18:54 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 0:28 ` David Lang
2023-03-26 0:57 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:57 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [Bloat] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 23:33 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-25 23:38 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [Bloat] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:20 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-26 18:29 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 10:34 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 18:12 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 20:57 ` David Lang
2023-03-25 20:27 ` [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 23:15 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] On FiWi David Lang
2023-03-13 19:33 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA dan
2023-03-13 19:52 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 21:00 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:27 ` dan
2023-03-14 9:11 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:45 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-01-09 19:13 ` [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:47 ` Sebastian Moeller
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2023-01-11 20:01 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-11 21:46 ` Dick Roy
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2023-01-12 18:02 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-12 21:34 ` Dick Roy
2023-01-12 20:39 ` Dick Roy
2023-01-13 7:33 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-13 8:26 ` Dick Roy
2023-01-13 7:40 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-13 8:10 ` Dick Roy
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2023-01-11 20:09 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-12 8:14 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-12 17:49 ` Robert McMahon
2023-01-12 21:57 ` Dick Roy
2023-01-13 7:44 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-13 8:01 ` Dick Roy
2023-01-09 20:20 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 20:46 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 20:59 ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 21:06 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:18 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:02 ` Dick Roy
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