From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86B1A3CB37; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 14:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (c-69-181-111-171.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [69.181.111.171]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C1EF1EEE8; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:14:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 6C1EF1EEE8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1678817641; bh=quMTukXRxZDRSEP7euByMxRPleuITjBji/R6yhgqcOI=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Date:To:CC:From; b=NIWmFZKWEIPejoi5HHT4xVP8dMgYaKGKHjooZX+5ZTGJFD/eK9ATCgsvFP3V6qDG2 RwIECoMipmCu+TZjC4kS9nq/O7rFH1oxZ22bgvj+bh8KLFFS8v1LYW6yeTV21zzsF2 s72/DZuxb3kjF1yZSMoi9LdAT+JUGDXXUp77tkIg= In-Reply-To: References: <3CD0B9E6-0B2A-4A70-8F53-ED0822DF77A6@gmx.de> <13DE6E53-665F-4C20-BBE2-70E685421E9D@gmx.de> <22C819FA-DDD7-4B9B-8C09-8008D4273287@gmx.de> <5e7fac51071bdbb20837e72e7eedfc7c@rjmcmahon.com> <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> <70F71290-C6CB-4D19-8A88-F0F17C0BDDA2@gmx.de> <5e0cd693c4749d128dbb48d6c1129071@rjmcmahon.com> <2ab2983d-6beb-49cb-8c35-e481cbfdc7a3@Spark> <89c55d67-86f0-494d-a09e-c9aeebe46dc0@rjmcmahon.com> <70CBB03C-4394-4A93-BBB5-7449DC1AAF9C@gmx.de> X-Referenced-Uid: 0000ff7c567702d5 Thread-Topic: Re: [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi User-Agent: Android X-Is-Generated-Message-Id: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----XU3FDDEXE0U7S026PU7S54NHQIEADV" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert McMahon Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 11:14:00 -0700 To: dan CC: Sebastian Moeller , Dave Taht via Starlink , Mike Puchol ,bloat , Rpm ,libreqos Message-ID: <063359bf-5bf3-4688-852c-a7d81e6b80a3@rjmcmahon.com> Subject: Re: [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] [Starlink] On FiWi X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:14:02 -0000 ------XU3FDDEXE0U7S026PU7S54NHQIEADV Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It's not=C2=A0 discrete routers=2E It's more like a transceiver=2E WiFi is = already splitting at the MAC for MLO=2E I perceive two choices for the spli= t, one at the PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802=2E3 tunneling of 802=2E11 b= ack to the FiWi head end=2E Use 802=2E3 to leverage merchant silicon suppor= ting up to 200 or so RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there=2E I think a = split PHY may not work well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted= =2E Bob Get BlueMail for Android On Mar 14, 2023, 10:54 AM, at 10:54= AM, dan wrote: >> You could always do it yourself= =2E >> >> Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them I= T >services=2E This need is only going to grow and grow=2E We can help by >= producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service >provider= s=2E >> >> Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because= he >hated "the orifices=2E" Probably time for many of us to revisit our >b= elief set=2E Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly? >> >> FiWi blows= the needle off the gauge by my judgment=2E Who does it is >secondary=2E >>= >> Bob > >most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol=2E = > >I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime >soon= =2E If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just >talking XG= SPON or similar=2E ------XU3FDDEXE0U7S026PU7S54NHQIEADV Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's not&nbs= p; discrete routers=2E It's more like a transceiver=2E WiFi is already spli= tting at the MAC for MLO=2E I perceive two choices for the split, one at th= e PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802=2E3 tunneling of 802=2E11 back to the F= iWi head end=2E Use 802=2E3 to leverage merchant silicon supporting up to 2= 00 or so RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there=2E I think a split PHY ma= y not work well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted=2E

Bob



On Mar 14, 2023, at 10:54 AM, dan <dandenson@gmail=2Ecom> wrote: 
 You could always do it=
 yourself=2E

 Most people need high skilled network engineers to pro=
vide them IT services=2E This need is only going to grow and grow=2E We can=
 help by producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service =
providers=2E

 Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone developme=
nt because he hated "the orifices=2E" Probably time for many of us to revis=
it our belief set=2E Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly?

 =
FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment=2E Who does it is second=
ary=2E

 Bob

most people are unwilling to pay for=
 those services also lol=2E

I don't see the paradigm of discreet rou=
ters/nat per prem anytime
soon=2E  If you subtract that piece of it then=
 we're basically just
talking XGSPON or similar=2E
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