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X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:58:38 -0000 Hi Dave! You are absolutely right! We will change this = (https://github.com/network-quality/draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness/issu= es/20) Christoph > On Oct 28, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Dave Taht via Rpm = wrote: >=20 > I wanted to offer a small correction to the current RPM abstract, > uploaded a few days ago: >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-cpaasch-ippm-responsiveness-01.html >=20 > Millions. 3m at free alone had fq_codel on their DSL. comcast is.. > however many docsis 3.1 modems have deployed (millions) ? eero and > everyone shipping qcom wifi chips is ? gfiber's deployment? the entire > 3rd party firewall and router market (?) those are just the easier to > count numbers off the top of my head. Sure, in terms of postings and > individual interactions visible on the web in the latter case it > doesn't seem like a lot, but I figure the existing documentation and > user base is 1000x that.... >=20 > so... millions. >=20 > If you want to also count in the upgrades in bandwidth in the last 10 > years, another accomplishment, I think, was most of that bandwidth was > added without misguided increases in buffering, without our > fancy-schmancy algorithms needed, so that was many more millions. If > you want to think about server side, bbr, tsq, bql, packet pacing... > decreases. >=20 > So a small change in language perhaps? >=20 > "semi-solved for millions of people"? >=20 > Certainly wifi and lte suck the most of what's left to fix. I > generally say there's a billion routers left to upgrade. >=20 > One of the fantasy numbers that has kept me going for all these years > of living on top ramen was that if aqm and fq technologies I'd worked > on primarily... saved X users 1 second/day of waiting on the internet. > Say X is 10m today, that's 115 days/day and depending on how you want > to calculate that in terms of man years or time spent on the internet, > call it 400 man years per year. Not like any of us can go cash a check > on that karmic bank but, it's comforting. >=20 > (have a song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DHMG1wKpDT38 ) >=20 > I tend to think that smashing latencies all through the stack affected > pretty much the whole internet's responsiveness - that and optimizing > web pages, cdns, etc, etc, also saved people a lot of time on waiting > on the internet. And along the way we made webrtc go from postage > stamp 2 frames per second in 2012 to all of civilization managing to > cope with working from home during covid. Imagine, covid-2012? >=20 > I've never come up with a number for annoying people less... >=20 > Blocking ads is still effective for saving time however, another > annoyance that's cropped up in the last few years is the teaser > paragraph and then > the demand to turn off advertising on a per site basis. I wish there > was a plugin for a browser that blocked content from paywall demanding > sites. > I'm glad I can pay google/pandora/netflix 10 bucks a month for > streaming services without ads. >=20 > Anyway, just the deployed aqm/fq solutions alone are in the 10s of > millions, IMHO. Just working so well for those using them that they > never noticed. >=20 > --=20 > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw >=20 > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm