From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mailgw1.uni-kl.de (mailgw1.uni-kl.de [IPv6:2001:638:208:120::220]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69E003B29D; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 04:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de [IPv6:2001:638:208:ef34:0:ff:fe00:65]) by mailgw1.uni-kl.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8+deb8u2) with ESMTP id 38T8usUC084261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 Sep 2023 10:56:54 +0200 Received: from sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4+deb7u1) with ESMTP id 38T8uiTZ019994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Sep 2023 10:56:44 +0200 Received: (from auerswal@localhost) by sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 38T8ugvS019987; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 10:56:42 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 10:56:42 +0200 From: Erik Auerswald To: "Livingood, Jason" Cc: Sebastian Moeller , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , bloat , Jamal Hadi Salim Message-ID: <20230929085642.GA6733@unix-ag.uni-kl.de> References: <6EB2C99F-471B-4CD9-87A9-080A84A107B8@cable.comcast.com> <60FB20DE-CCA2-4D0C-8852-93CEC5B4535B@gmx.de> <584EC94D-7FA0-42E7-9D04-AE0B54F95B6F@cable.comcast.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <584EC94D-7FA0-42E7-9D04-AE0B54F95B6F@cable.comcast.com> Author: Erik Auerswald X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.999, tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-1,URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 X-Spam-Score: (-0.999) X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: net neutrality back in the news X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:56:51 -0000 Hi, On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 09:07:23PM +0000, Livingood, Jason via Bloat wrote: > […] > Side note - a lot of IETF work flowed from the P2P workshop the IETF > held in response to all this, including new WGs - LEDBAT, ALTO, CDNI. > > JL > > PS - some of the P2P workshop papers would be interesting to read again if we could find them: The wiki link in RFC 5594 seems to have been lost, but archive.org has at least some of the contents, see, e.g., . > [1] Nick Weaver - The case for "Ugly Now" User Fairness https://web.archive.org/web/20090721015803/http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rai/trac/attachment/wiki/PeerToPeerInfrastructure/1%20p2pi-weaver.txt > [2] Paul Jessop - Position paper of the RIAA That's missing from archive.org. > [3] Nikloaos Laotaris, Pablo Rodriguez, Laurent Massoulie - ECHOES: > Edge Capacity Hosting Overlays of Nano Data Centers > […] I did not look for the other position papers. Cheers, Erik -- If things aren’t simple, they won’t work. -- Radia Perlman