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From: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: "MORTON JR., AL" <acmorton@att.com>,
	Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	ippm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Rpm] lightweight active sensing of bandwidth and buffering
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2022 16:39:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <344f2a33b6bcae4ad4390dcb96f92589@rjmcmahon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw6kuHJp_PnUBb6J4HiFmy=xTG9uiu7bML7fuHFzNhMr2w@mail.gmail.com>

Bufferbloat shifts the minimum of the latency or OWD CDF. A suggestion 
is to disable x-axis auto-scaling and start from zero.

Bob
> For about 2 years now the cake w-adaptive bandwidth project has been
> exploring techniques to lightweightedly sense  bandwidth and buffering
> problems. One of my favorites was their discovery that ICMP type 13
> got them working OWD from millions of ipv4 devices!
> 
> They've also explored leveraging ntp and multiple other methods, and
> have scripts available that do a good job of compensating for 5g and
> starlink's misbehaviors.
> 
> They've also pioneered a whole bunch of new graphing techniques, which
> I do wish were used more than single number summaries especially in
> analyzing the behaviors of new metrics like rpm, samknows, ookla, and
> RFC9097 - to see what is being missed.
> 
> There are thousands of posts about this research topic, a new post on
> OWD just went by here.
> 
> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/cake-w-adaptive-bandwidth/135379/793
> 
> and of course, I love flent's enormous graphing toolset for simulating
> and analyzing complex network behaviors.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-01 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-10-31 16:52     ` [Rpm] [ippm] Preliminary measurement comparison of "Working Latency" metrics Dave Taht
2022-10-31 18:52       ` rjmcmahon
2022-10-31 22:08         ` MORTON JR., AL
2022-10-31 22:44           ` rjmcmahon
2022-11-01 20:15           ` [Rpm] lightweight active sensing of bandwidth and buffering Dave Taht
2022-11-01 23:39             ` rjmcmahon [this message]
2022-11-02  8:23               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-11-02  9:41                 ` [Rpm] [ippm] " Ruediger.Geib
2022-11-02 19:29                   ` rjmcmahon
2022-11-02 19:44                     ` Dave Taht
2022-11-02 20:37                       ` rjmcmahon
2022-11-02 21:13                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-11-02 21:41                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-11-03  8:20                     ` Ruediger.Geib
2022-11-03  8:57                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-11-03 11:25                         ` Ruediger.Geib
2022-11-03 11:48                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-11-02 19:21                 ` [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2022-10-31 20:40       ` [Rpm] [ippm] Preliminary measurement comparison of "Working Latency" metrics MORTON JR., AL
2022-10-31 23:30         ` Dave Taht
2022-11-01  4:21           ` Dave Taht
2022-11-01 14:51             ` MORTON JR., AL
2022-11-04 17:14               ` MORTON JR., AL
2022-11-04 18:12                 ` rjmcmahon
2022-11-04 18:58                   ` MORTON JR., AL
2022-11-04 19:10                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-11-05 19:36                   ` MORTON JR., AL
2022-12-11 19:21                     ` MORTON JR., AL
2022-12-12  2:38                       ` Dave Taht

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