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From: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
To: "Stuart Cheshire" <cheshire@apple.com>,
	=?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= <dave.taht@gmail.com>,
	Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	"Cake List" <cake@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 17:46:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <372838.1666216016@dyas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BD3CEB48-E45E-49DB-AAFC-80C539BB4169@apple.com>

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Stuart Cheshire via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
    >> I think the person with the cheetos pulling out a gun and shooting
    >> everyone in front of him (AQM) would not go down well.

    > Which is why starting with a bad analogy (people waiting in a grocery
    > store) inevitably leads to bad conclusions.

    > If we want to struggle to make the grocery store analogy work, perhaps
    > we show people checking some grocery store app on their smartphone
    > before they leave home, and if they see that a long line is beginning
    > to form they wait until later, when the line is shorter. The challenge
    > is not how to deal with a long queue when it’s there, it is how to
    > avoid a long queue in the first place.

Maybe if we regard the entire grocery store as the "pipe", then we would
realize that the trick to reducing checkout lines is to move the constraint
from exiting, to entering the store :-)

Then the different times you are in the store because you have different
amounts of shopping to do, etc. and you get txt messages from spouse to
remember to pick up X, and that somehow is an analogy to the various
"PowerBoost" cable and LTE/5G systems that provide for inconsistent
bandwidth.

(There are various pushes to actually do this, as the experience from COVID
was that having fewer people in the store pleased many people.)


--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-19 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-09 13:14 [Rpm] " Dave Taht
2022-10-09 13:23 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Nathan Owens
2022-10-10  5:52 ` Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-10  9:09   ` [Rpm] [Cake] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-10  9:32     ` Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-10  9:40       ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-10 11:46         ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Cake] " Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-10 20:23           ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-11  6:08             ` [Rpm] [Cake] [Bloat] " Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-11  6:35               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-11  6:38                 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Cake] " Dave Taht
2022-10-11 11:34                   ` Taraldsen Erik
2022-10-10 16:45         ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] [Bloat] " Bob McMahon
2022-10-10 22:57           ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " David Lang
2022-10-11  0:05             ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-11  7:15               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-11 16:58                 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-11 17:00                   ` Dave Taht
2022-10-11 17:26                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-11 17:47                     ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-11 13:57               ` Rich Brown
2022-10-11 14:43                 ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2022-10-11 17:05                 ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] " Bob McMahon
2022-10-11 18:44                   ` Rich Brown
2022-10-11 22:24                     ` Dave Taht
2022-10-12 17:39                       ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-12 21:44                         ` [Rpm] [Cake] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] " David P. Reed
2022-10-13 17:45                   ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] " Livingood, Jason
2022-10-13 17:49                     ` Dave Taht
2022-10-11  6:28           ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18  0:02 ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " Stuart Cheshire
2022-10-18  2:44   ` Dave Taht
2022-10-18  2:50     ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sina Khanifar
2022-10-18  3:15       ` [Rpm] A quick report from the WISPA conference Dave Taht
2022-10-18 17:17         ` Sina Khanifar
2022-10-18 19:04           ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-20  5:15             ` Sina Khanifar
2022-10-20  9:01               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18 19:17           ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18  2:58     ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat David Lang
2022-10-18 17:03       ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] " Bob McMahon
2022-10-18 18:19         ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18 19:30           ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-19  7:09           ` David Lang
2022-10-19 19:18             ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-19 19:23               ` David Lang
2022-10-19 21:26                 ` [Rpm] [Cake] " David P. Reed
2022-10-19 21:37                   ` David Lang
2022-10-19 20:44     ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " Stuart Cheshire
2022-10-19 21:33       ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " David Lang
2022-10-19 23:36         ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-10-20 14:26           ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] Traffic analogies (was: Wonderful video) Rich Brown
2022-10-19 21:46       ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2022-12-06 19:17         ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] [Bloat] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat Bob McMahon
2022-10-20  9:36       ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-20 18:32         ` Stuart Cheshire
2022-10-20 19:04           ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-20 19:12             ` Dave Taht
2022-10-20 19:31               ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-20 19:40               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-21 17:48                 ` Bob McMahon
2022-10-20 19:33             ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-20 19:33           ` Dave Taht
2022-10-26 20:38           ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-26 20:42             ` Dave Taht
2022-10-26 20:53               ` Sebastian Moeller
2022-10-18 18:07   ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller

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