From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 008F63B29E; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 15:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0E7931EEE8; Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:32:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 0E7931EEE8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1678735952; bh=1RY6+BgQg3QAOHB51xJIrKSjDhB2/4o2HorjiIxKM8s=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=AsCo8tjcVnWhjIEU71fI3gX02ULKD9PNtnSGKoXMRoSst/qWUkay0apyQ31afxY/4 8vN68VBzuTjmUK2TiqHg+y3igdNG3ouFK5rQ8s19S8JITc73pjKBMFPof/8c5jfxUW Rfg4BUxAcVRRXMirgbL0SVpT2tb4VfP2d2ulLypw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 12:32:31 -0700 From: rjmcmahon To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: dan , Jeremy Austin , Rpm , libreqos , Dave Taht via Starlink , bloat In-Reply-To: References: <1672786712.106922180@apps.rackspace.com> <77CCAD19-07E0-4F9E-88C1-D207CF7BF376@cable.comcast.com> <83ffc0dad19e3343e49271889369cefc@rjmcmahon.com> <3CD0B9E6-0B2A-4A70-8F53-ED0822DF77A6@gmx.de> <13DE6E53-665F-4C20-BBE2-70E685421E9D@gmx.de> <22C819FA-DDD7-4B9B-8C09-8008D4273287@gmx.de> <5e7fac51071bdbb20837e72e7eedfc7c@rjmcmahon.com> Message-ID: <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> X-Sender: rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 19:32:33 -0000 On 2023-03-13 11:51, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi Bob, > > >> On Mar 13, 2023, at 19:42, rjmcmahon wrote: >> >>> [SM] not really, given enough capacity, typical streaming protocols >>> will actually not hit the ceiling, at least the one's I look at every >>> now and then tend to stay well below actual capacity of the link. >> I think DASH type protocol will hit link peaks. An example with iperf >> 2's burst option a controlled WiFi test rig, server side first. > > [SM] I think that depends, each segment has only a finite length and > if this can delivered before slow start ends that burst might never > hit the capacity? > > Regards I believe most CDNs are setting the initial CWND so TCP can bypass slow start. Slow start seems an engineering flaw from the perspective of low latency. It's done for "fairness" whatever that means. Bob