From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55ED83B29D for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2022 06:05:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1658657132; bh=vaeQrDtYTbtl0U6WdMQvby3A9xuMT4WG0eJrhmMuJLY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=YIHtMV8h6jTSMTrOCoezyGylOnGUpkg+Mc561vcX8d7Rake1phNJZOWX+bxQNr8TD 4Gl4KgRc1OwjQN2bl8szwsCjaagAwOx6tks9rutBU+BV3HpoAa2oiZEE1FFsFEyXDk YSPKoauBhTAb3qeuTj6+pDWW+sQKN6B5s53KRuJg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([87.157.175.113]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MuDXp-1nLNvq4C33-00uXw9; Sun, 24 Jul 2022 12:05:32 +0200 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 12:05:29 +0200 From: Sebastian Moeller To: Will Hawkins CC: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dave_T=E4ht?= , Rpm User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <6C83DEDA-B3A0-42A2-BAE9-F224968B4802@gmx.de> Message-ID: <420A9D00-8AD1-4736-AE71-AB9907437A0D@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:QywruY5KmEtWnRSUzN3zPN3nGBSXghkElW2kdS2QfV2hscPmAm5 vmzwiXDjTffvOReN3uaCqgq7KYrLJnrVK0wgDWcMHQjqweGsZMynsm+Q9nd1HGlRc4qDYza jI4CoWUWXiPLnITz8JNZXCc3BnMxtjFv3vjNdUlSoFNq4s7IAdtYLk3Gn691P+ObpxKK2wv u6ul9PUGa8YWbdanNAdew== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:VJaFCAoFR0s=:4ohigppJbJehDR1p076zP9 hEmqZoKk/T0UgMsfTghWnCWv9wfxrpkB0cujwFJrSCnr/s4dDZW8KIYHGj62fSd9a0ReRUJIq DJcvpxNikpH5alg2sCajTvSxl8iVVn0DFrB8lcJb6PztBeHLQdciRTQglDRgnZMfn40uEZq7x t59lnPs6I9KABeH7NCodYl/u0V4s2yHsGHjfZBdcynVaHQrGhwtadM1Ods43ZMn422MU5VFPY c1CWL04J/JJPisMwBqMavOTyK0UDS7Zs5bGpnMgBmk9GnJg3a1qzi0QbNip8957LwiPieDSD/ pAhhwluZyjllK0P7nrb0RMIev/zwYaJs7lgZVC/qAqaxBelv026lc99WyIfOlyUN95f+0xOk4 vFnULZ2+L75vRSrQ5g6CUE3lW8xsgtbLuAdYdQ4SUHvkDPwJoy9FML2SMZ1OVj55/7lvCzyuo g6zcpvnkatulSmYIUKYND/OKW+lIi+3dKFodF4ik7k9+HNq/TngUB+9s3O9KRbjx4TNId19GQ in8RXJATu5YSSzKXPCNjKnxrTe6EWQK9bTBtSIpWWtPgAyxGjokhp8plNMqlKzlLgQYhq41S0 6AKP13SnviG/P5vpyymn9HXjNrmFqhC1nEOh0ONqHtdqSq7KrW0CwolT0S+M8hZzDB4a4bwmp 07I2+YsFTlgK3cDfPSM9wWEG9RQjagn1PnOaB+07yRm9c1oa1C8kuChzSEHVpzkVn//uw2aPi JkK6+cMN0xRL8ao9IdXrOZ/zh5azcI6WHEyTdYcvnNykxfEpQUppXayMp69m2ddSreEkdPlqt VBP9YVEqCpvpDXFV2iV8ee+WpfAIVWL/dgmQm00bM6tgkGwgvsuxw3qb/Akr5bS9gzDW+yqDN 5+R9x0hE+EM2udDz86pKO8cPV1EIrBOwXNzYWIVg3Msmu3jnFwhC0vouBmqDV75YluP7ZxerR f7aFg4yK+AVUmpHq602VRdZoAKCaeujBX4nl9rP3fY0wjGE/GmpPVMAfPu1DVah+hNDC8A3zb Vt4GoN5Zcx9ow+xF0YhaT9EKnZgqgfrAQC9ThI75JwlZPG2RtASf2rwhBFu6H2+kA98fkugcB CbGFQ9Qbl30KEGb2YYWCiBfwjlBRZ8VBXFe2nuVEWJu5xhAMozAONq2Lg== Subject: Re: [Rpm] latest goresponsiveness test over starlink X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 10:05:34 -0000 Hi Wil, (Sorry for misspelling your name earlier) On 24 July 2022 08:31:18 CEST, Will Hawkins wrote: >Great suggestions=2E I will continue to play with the UI=2E It looks like >these conditions for timeout might be changing in future iterations of >the spec, so I will keep my eye on how it progresses=2E=20 Ah, guess I should re-read the spec then, without knowing the details I th= ibk getting away from strict run time limits seems a good idea=2E Thanks again for >the suggestions! >Will > >PS: How do you like Starlink overall? Me? I do not have/own/use starlink (can't afford it and can coose between = VDSL2, DOCSIS3=2E1, and LTE/5G already all both considerably faster, less v= ariable in speed and cheaper then starlink; so hard for me to justify the e= xpense)=2E That said, from the outside I think starlink (or LEO data transm= ission in general) is quite interesting=2E > >On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 11:38 PM Sebastian Moeller wr= ote: >> >> Hi Will, >> >> Regarding my 'fat pipe' link, given that the current draft seems to rec= ommend the 20 seconds, how about simply starting with that value, but on fa= ilure to achieve saturation do one of the following: >> a) give a more detailed error message instructing the user to use the s= attimeout option, maybe by printing the used command with '-sattimeout 60' = or so added, so that simple copy and paste might allow the user to try agai= n=2E >> b) do not stop the code on this failure, but ask the user interactively= whether to try again with a larger sattimeout value=2E >> >> Whether that will help in the starlink case I can only guess=2E=2E=2E >> >> Regards >> Sebastian >> >> On 23 July 2022 23:19:28 CEST, Will Hawkins wrote: >>> >>> I am sorry that I am late to this thread=2E I would love to work >>> together to see if there are some things that we could do to make the >>> client more robust when someone uses it from "constrained" (to put it >>> nicely) environments! >>> >>> Will >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 4:26 PM Sebastian Moeller via Rpm >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Dave, >>>> >>>> maybe try: >>>> >>>> time =2E/networkQuality --config mensura=2Ecdn-apple=2Ecom --port 44= 3 --path /api/v1/gm/config -extended-stats -sattimeout 60 >>>> >>>> to extend the maximal time to achieve saturation to a minute=2E I no= tice than of a fat path (1000/1000 Mbps) 20 seconds are not enough to achie= ve saturation, and maybe things take while on starlink as well? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Sebastian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 22, 2022, at 21:00, Dave Taht via Rpm wrote: >>>>> >>>>> First attempt timed out=2E Second attempt=2E=2E=2E >>>>> >>>>> =2E/networkQuality --config mensura=2Ecdn-apple=2Ecom --port 443 --= path >>>>> /api/v1/gm/config >>>>> 07-22-2022 18:58:53 UTC Go Responsiveness to mensura=2Ecdn-apple=2E= com:443=2E=2E=2E >>>>> Download: 34=2E351 Mbps ( 4=2E294 MBps), using 20 parallel connec= tions=2E >>>>> Upload: 3=2E653 Mbps ( 0=2E457 MBps), using 20 parallel connec= tions=2E >>>>> RPM: 438 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> FQ World Domination pending: https://blog=2Ecerowrt=2Eorg/post/stat= e_of_fq_codel/ >>>>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> Rpm mailing list >>>>> Rpm@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >>>>> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/rpm >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Rpm mailing list >>>> Rpm@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >>>> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/rpm >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity= =2E --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E