From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qv1-xf35.google.com (mail-qv1-xf35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 210823CB38; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 07:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf35.google.com with SMTP id q88so3376049qvq.13; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 04:26:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1679398011; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=A/HJb6TzJyr4Ss4YJbo6VWMuvQ9Oqw5lDnco4Y8uaoA=; b=UQpyHR/wHi9LVEaGnkpjv7d33LUkCvQpU+05rC868FRb046fLRa6nVGj3sL0rth3cl 6QwEQ5HFrg3tXk+yWoLtB+tisstQWZzPJLS9rqAALFfcepVqWYJP/o1zoxxINebl4ZxP l65d0xJeuyZh8s+pO3e/ubT87k8kaJLIjGTzXXINpkG3h5z7Jth0g0l761UeSBi3hKSR Ygc2UuY9kVfw/qYHqg9fn+j9Qv3tpiaE2DtR0PBH/A3Q+3ixPTrxCxzMY+iCIg5FruU2 KPQCf5u08u0uWGZN7fUT9Ol1YjZ/Z1n3M+X2kLVtoP7zvGrc5cAW3srp3wgtVbRPLp9+ mf7A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679398011; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=A/HJb6TzJyr4Ss4YJbo6VWMuvQ9Oqw5lDnco4Y8uaoA=; b=O3ADEUHhb6kDQRpiuG1MobtnHL25OJbOq9slBXaqllJr5eL3Y7QfbwjD+KH4wutrp7 vOqGU3NbFg0KbnVNooE6+CcdOK/5OYue86EiS0+6g0IPntYYcv+z0spSWtWG3kyKISTb sF3zXXCf1fNKyqhRcvmsa1K/1wmPusGV/FeEZfcUBFoORk9I3UrqkA8RsehF24xlh6ZA dVP4iGJsEL9VKpMiOk0Al14QK+LOblYEwgFGke+uCjeedxsFpXKu3THq4+cbF61KnoP6 a0A509JJoXD9rl7oOtwVZ6GwCGKGxpwzg9LELI6ZhwGCo4oy5QyADHHxOIxbRgV+10V5 9F4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUV7E6l+NgIfcXlwSY/5RlgFbXXHcbXQpzq0zbK7b+8C4+2LCvG lSIcvpH8ec9glWDFIjQP1bk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set8r7RMZJyJcq+GuwTnpHxZB2KzzQb7+uUXrIEMAVd0JJHdTag6qhT4PvWRTBkScjlJF5WQwVg== X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5946:0:b0:5ac:96c3:14d4 with SMTP id eo6-20020ad45946000000b005ac96c314d4mr3813131qvb.17.1679398011377; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 04:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s14-20020a37450e000000b007417e60f621sm9128291qka.126.2023.03.21.04.26.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 21 Mar 2023 04:26:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Message-Id: <46A0D5B3-FFAA-40A3-B94C-6D01C99D92EB@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E4513822-B2FD-43C8-8ED6-C6D5F34055FA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.2\)) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 07:26:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk, dan , Dave Taht via Starlink , Michael Richardson , libreqos , Rpm , bloat To: Frantisek Borsik References: <20230321001019.GA4531@sunf68.rd.bbc.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.2) Subject: Re: [Rpm] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps... X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 11:26:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E4513822-B2FD-43C8-8ED6-C6D5F34055FA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Mar 21, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Rpm = wrote: >=20 > Now, I hope to really piss You off with the following statement :-P = but: >=20 > even sub 5/1 Mbps =E2=80=9Cbroadband=E2=80=9D in Africa with = bufferbloat fixed on as many hops along the internet journey from a data = center to the customers mobile device (or with just LibreQoS middle box = in the ISP=E2=80=99s network) is feeling way better than 25Gbps XG-PON. = The only time the XG-PON guy could really feel like a king of the world = would be during his speedtest. Nope. Sorry - this doesn't piss me off :-) It's just true.=20 - 7mbps/768kbps DSL with an IQrouter works fine for two simultaneous = Zoom conferences. (Even though no one would think that it's fast.) - I recommend people on a budget drop their ISP speed so they can afford = a router that does SQM = https://forum.openwrt.org/t/so-you-have-500mbps-1gbps-fiber-and-need-a-rou= ter-read-this-first/90305/40 = The people that get annoyed are those who just upgraded to 1Gbps service = and still are getting fragged in their games. Rich= --Apple-Mail=_E4513822-B2FD-43C8-8ED6-C6D5F34055FA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Mar 21, 2023, at 1:21 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

Now, I hope to really piss You off = with the following statement  :-P but:

even sub 5/1 Mbps =E2=80=9Cbroadband=E2=80=9D in = Africa with bufferbloat fixed on as many hops along the internet journey = from a data center to the customers mobile device (or with just LibreQoS = middle box in the ISP=E2=80=99s network) is feeling way better than = 25Gbps XG-PON. The only time the XG-PON guy could really feel like a = king of the world would be during his = speedtest.

Nope. Sorry - this doesn't piss me off :-) It's just = true. 

- = 7mbps/768kbps DSL with an IQrouter works fine for two simultaneous Zoom = conferences. (Even though no one would think that it's fast.)
- I recommend people on a budget drop their ISP speed so they = can afford a router that does SQM https://forum.openwrt.org/t/so-you-have-500mbps-1gbps-fiber-and= -need-a-router-read-this-first/90305/40

The people that get annoyed are those = who just upgraded to 1Gbps service and still are getting fragged in = their games.

Rich
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