From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout09.eigbox.net (bosmailout09.eigbox.net [66.96.188.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B30C73B2A4; Wed, 5 Jul 2023 20:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bosmailscan07.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.7]) by bosmailout09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1qHCgU-0001Fd-3l; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 20:17:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=MphIfNvEm15+ygNXwUnfI01u3RHruKS4YSROjMq/hbQ=; b=oQPaRqEhmyCF51jA92waaeoRdJ 5GdrO4Imsydj5rXJ0L7rNRqQJ78EUaKgfSozq1ajMFIGtaKv54xYz1bHnH3rD15gQI2oKRo7+O6vB LRqsgMbIuqKmoFbhqA7QYBAsvmJvM0yFPsMmHa+hhRaEd7IkGvHNp3RcE3YXGPIh4s0GBqWBASljw SZDBxXfew6Az0ovRnMfxLHQk5nw8GnBF3yyPOwAgSAXuR01GfOOvaEFwW5FZSwahGqzpJ5Ztj9NE8 1lzkMRtgTfqA+4Mk2fDucN2EdvFt2nw3Xoz17u3agy1+Y7cUNSy4VjFNquM1H+zHUdHQxDx8EolEX eaRDebXQ==; Received: from [10.115.3.33] (helo=bosimpout13) by bosmailscan07.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1qHCgT-0007Hm-Qi; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 20:17:21 -0400 Received: from bosauthsmtp10.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.10]) by bosimpout13 with id HcHJ2A0050D2CUy01cHMN4; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 20:17:21 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=G76H7+s5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=Kpo39fPXdbgqDwiI3/AEUA==:117 a=tKttg/DTfI8zZz0UFxdR5w==:17 a=ws7JD89P4LkA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=3xZai3ucAAAA:8 a=jU4qhlNgAAAA:8 a=01pc9crClCE-9Y_ZricA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=11XmXz--Mm1xC3H2vTsA:9 a=3BZ5pyYJrtPC9xw4:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=adu4SRlP6IjmuNRsLVHH:22 Received: from c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.158.253.41]:51252 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp10.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1qHCgQ-0007Ug-7K; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 20:17:18 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: "'Dave Taht'" , "'libreqos'" , "'Rpm'" Cc: "'Sam Crawford'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 17:17:12 -0700 Organization: SRA Message-ID: <6C0AE2724B354B1E87B55C42C159CC27@SRA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_26F7_01D9AF64.8D1DEF80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdmvQc9PIjpUh6oaTT+L7AGYETsRUAAW7Qpw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.158.253.41 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Starlink] NZ latest latency report X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:17:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_26F7_01D9AF64.8D1DEF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m not the expert in the room, however I find the report lacking in = one very important area. All these results on latencies, speed, etc., are categorized based on users =93first mile access=94 technology, leqding = the reader to believe the sole source of these numbrs is the =93first = mile=94 which of course it is not. They do not address the as important issues of the rest of what=92s between =93end-2-end=94. Take a look at the gaming = latency results, and you see games hosted in America have very high latencies = for users in New Zealand =85 duhhhhhh! This can=92t be news. =20 =20 While not trivial by any means, what could/should be done to make these = data more useful for consumers is to figure out the effect of everything past = the =93first mile/first hop=94 and break it out separately. That way, a = (moderately intelligent) user could make a reasonably informed cost-benefit analysis = on which combination of first mile technology and back-end service provider = to choose, assuming there were service providers that offered a choice of =93first-mile=92 access, or backhaul providers that served a variety of = =93first mile=94 providers. Guess we=92re a few years away from that :-) =20 RR =20 -----Original Message----- From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Dave Taht via Starlink Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 6:08 AM To: libreqos; Rpm; Dave Taht via Starlink Cc: Sam Crawford Subject: [Starlink] NZ latest latency report =20 I do wish that it broke it out by provider, and recommended somehow to those suffering still, install a better device... VDSL can be made vastly more tolerable. Otherwise pretty good, and brings in starlink... =20 https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/320326/MBNZ-Autumn-Rep= ort -28-June-2023.pdf =20 To pick on samknows a little bit, I think the test does not run long enough, and should be pulling from higher than what appears to be the 75th percentile. =20 =20 =20 --=20 Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/= Dave T=E4ht CSO, LibreQos _______________________________________________ Starlink mailing list Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink ------=_NextPart_000_26F7_01D9AF64.8D1DEF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m not the expert in the room, however I find the report = lacking in one very important area. =A0All these results on latencies, speed, etc., = are categorized based on users “first mile access” technology, = leqding the reader to believe the sole source of these numbrs is the “first = mile” which of course it is not. =A0They do not address the as important issues of the rest of = what’s between “end-2-end”. =A0Take a look at the gaming latency = results, and you see games hosted in America have very high latencies for users in New Zealand … = duhhhhhh! =A0This can’t be news.=A0

 

While not trivial by any means, what could/should be done to = make these data more useful for consumers is to figure out the effect of everything = past the “first mile/first hop” and break it out separately. = =A0That way, a (moderately intelligent) user could make a reasonably informed = cost-benefit analysis on which combination of first mile technology and back-end = service provider to choose, assuming there were service providers that offered a choice = of “first-mile’ access, or backhaul providers that served a variety of “first = mile” providers. =A0Guess we’re a few years away from that J

 

RR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Dave Taht via Starlink
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2023 6:08 AM
To: libreqos; Rpm; Dave Taht via Starlink
Cc: Sam Crawford
Subject: [Starlink] NZ latest latency report

 

I do wish that it broke it out by provider, and recommended = somehow to

those suffering still, install a better device... VDSL can be = made

vastly more tolerable. Otherwise pretty good, and brings = in

starlink...

 

https://comcom.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/320326/MBNZ-Au= tumn-Report-28-June-2023.pdf

 

To pick on samknows a little bit, I think the test does not run = long

enough, and should be pulling from higher than what appears to = be the

75th percentile.

 

 

 

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