From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E70C3B29D for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 23:38:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1658633923; bh=EX7zlLoJIBf1TzBZJtbY8xmsFGmfshlLvMUrI6ZS5Ow=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=A/Xr4tMP7Tfz06Eb6ccG1wW7xuoOoyync6lTPv1VkSf7aayh+xFo+Wj9yVELhBBER r+e1PKOnGyMx3n1xkgPKqESR8Ug64DNHNMdG7CfytFQ9u3CdB2VexCnLmNuJIg0lTv SFpWeONevWzYY+ZhhbzBPr09a5Gqb3Bo3MYsCFhk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([87.157.175.113]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MC34h-1oLBct3D4P-00CTJr; Sun, 24 Jul 2022 05:38:42 +0200 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 05:38:40 +0200 From: Sebastian Moeller To: Will Hawkins CC: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dave_T=E4ht?= , Rpm User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C83DEDA-B3A0-42A2-BAE9-F224968B4802@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----87CBWY0I39MTG1EMDQCRSGGHDH9EFO Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:G97936We+19YhkqQUV+zNJkqd7hzYO5NEDlk2tppckXLozWfO9+ LnQJz2csMlQZnsN5ikKsMy/DdQwM0mfVLgfmgEUnUut9OQFfPI4irLwBgxq09elmfStvuJ0 xe8HlueuEdan2VEnv8AgK43H1ln5GU8zPKIeFGRZyMCKn2CixONd4gcSIa98i8Q4EDuxRLJ f33UFoHvzHfw3Pyv1sz4Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:/Mnr6rQjhzU=:LtUguzIqNar454eEgkODiK IMEA7eHN9cVO3ot7mbWcqzasaa9szjt5MdVKE8SWb8hNffzshBQi9fODbH+w7AlnaWPCBHY+f LxzNuDJe4OjohHm3AI45OZ736WT/xlfxd0e97jY6FOwAiXdwnrYTt7JlXUL2JyFHKK7TU+g8a 7U8UEBlIpd5O/kczD1dC52SZCXLeRn+OVodP97DvcPtHSMBqTzGue2Se/XTzQBAFIvnjOVxmG X4QQY5WqBdHMtq6swDNeu4H6WwDgnesHHT27djH0L2cu/r0bJRf30bFWGb7BYKhBtf1ySdaUf KdOUyATkgmtA+QtPO1U6KzpUChSsyTAxp1pxuI+1wuyNxAi2r0zaWg4GHrHFf2LAzHQwOA/tq rBfPGANm9oN8RtGNINrX2Q2Kr9bkOvUKvcrKOPwRzYghCZ0VrnsBB8Y+p1z5XFiXGuZ3cMtDU QJedUoLVl6Wcay9asKg5TwjCFbRBZiyrMIc/TCEyoa4FUmIq2xFBbKpvzGEvzfonK5fUgJNCl s34YIUFa8hQrSDRC3wmbzp8yxxaqJ1Norp0Cpz0LUGBbgKVj0qjWi8iVUzofiRMz+s2a3m3o8 pM1E95J9G38J0WsgW9WuWHRF1gnrjBfdzjx1mOSI5cWzLJlcfZZNWJ5YNaDUNU5u95neJy8ie a0NZyv62oFdmhtR8eux4KqOGRblv7KExklQsi0MDOMFN24hlf2YbfeRLXaRshAkXb09YzA4ZT tjMdcFQkC9+R3vpVFwLL0WhCqYVubtbU2ymoKez+8bjjIL9hlQudbKETQMofcMDgKmQExkCjM S41MXjRUnlVHQuIe3qcCrCyBr3vl1GX+GnQ2CzvNsKSuP3mNn4yDxgCRZnjRnwGjRkwav56Dd WLKwEKLxmZV8dXb2/t1oJXfEX1oYxDAXShEwFhY8LMOMxGIih1zJKnzZ8YBiZeIoi2Pz+h8PN 4DXYKwAd+aodFyU7B+vtMtVymur7ZB0FJrE7y7x/3keB8Svk72GTZoWk9axC+u4uX/KtchoHW 6j0EPJBRxj36iIOtqUgFybrpYEQzW9qf3cv6RTnZtFVDO3ZhRZ653rpEYm/Q38GWOXlHoAAYH pQ9eTGC8RKhC/RrUUS2V3y8DeDtBHyOoLIwbWKu+LoBclx5/oJNQkwfTQ== Subject: Re: [Rpm] latest goresponsiveness test over starlink X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 03:38:45 -0000 ------87CBWY0I39MTG1EMDQCRSGGHDH9EFO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Will, Regarding my 'fat pipe' link, given that the current draft seems to recomm= end the 20 seconds, how about simply starting with that value, but on failu= re to achieve saturation do one of the following: a) give a more detailed error message instructing the user to use the satt= imeout option, maybe by printing the used command with '-sattimeout 60' or = so added, so that simple copy and paste might allow the user to try again= =2E b) do not stop the code on this failure, but ask the user interactively wh= ether to try again with a larger sattimeout value=2E Whether that will help in the starlink case I can only guess=2E=2E=2E Regards Sebastian On 23 July 2022 23:19:28 CEST, Will Hawkins wrote: >I am sorry that I am late to this thread=2E I would love to work >together to see if there are some things that we could do to make the >client more robust when someone uses it from "constrained" (to put it >nicely) environments! > >Will > >On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 4:26 PM Sebastian Moeller via Rpm > wrote: >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> maybe try: >> >> time =2E/networkQuality --config mensura=2Ecdn-apple=2Ecom --port 443 -= -path /api/v1/gm/config -extended-stats -sattimeout 60 >> >> to extend the maximal time to achieve saturation to a minute=2E I notic= e than of a fat path (1000/1000 Mbps) 20 seconds are not enough to achieve = saturation, and maybe things take while on starlink as well? >> >> Regards >> Sebastian >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 22, 2022, at 21:00, Dave Taht via Rpm wrote: >> > >> > First attempt timed out=2E Second attempt=2E=2E=2E >> > >> > =2E/networkQuality --config mensura=2Ecdn-apple=2Ecom --port 443 --pa= th >> > /api/v1/gm/config >> > 07-22-2022 18:58:53 UTC Go Responsiveness to mensura=2Ecdn-apple=2Eco= m:443=2E=2E=2E >> > Download: 34=2E351 Mbps ( 4=2E294 MBps), using 20 parallel connecti= ons=2E >> > Upload: 3=2E653 Mbps ( 0=2E457 MBps), using 20 parallel connecti= ons=2E >> > RPM: 438 >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > FQ World Domination pending: https://blog=2Ecerowrt=2Eorg/post/state_= of_fq_codel/ >> > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Rpm mailing list >> > Rpm@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >> > https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/rpm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rpm mailing list >> Rpm@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >> https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/rpm --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------87CBWY0I39MTG1EMDQCRSGGHDH9EFO Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Will,

Regarding my 'fat pipe' link, give= n that the current draft seems to recommend the 20 seconds, how about simpl= y starting with that value, but on failure to achieve saturation do one of = the following:
a) give a more detailed error message instructing the use= r to use the sattimeout option, maybe by printing the used command with '-s= attimeout 60' or so added, so that simple copy and paste might allow the us= er to try again=2E
b) do not stop the code on this failure, but ask the = user interactively whether to try again with a larger sattimeout value=2E
Whether that will help in the starlink case I can only guess=2E=2E=2E=

Regards
Sebastian

On 2= 3 July 2022 23:19:28 CEST, Will Hawkins <hawkinsw@obs=2Ecr> wrote: 
I am sorry that I am late to this threa=
d=2E I would love to work
together to see if there are some things that =
we could do to make the
client more robust when someone uses it from "co=
nstrained" (to put it
nicely) environments!

Will

On Fri, J=
ul 22, 2022 at 4:26 PM Sebastian Moeller via Rpm
<rpm@lists=2Ebufferb=
loat=2Enet> wrote:
<=
br> Hi Dave,

 maybe try:

 time =2E/networkQuality --config me=
nsura=2Ecdn-apple=2Ecom --port 443 --path /api/v1/gm/config -extended-stats=
 -sattimeout 60

 to extend the maximal time to achieve saturation to=
 a minute=2E I notice than of a fat path (1000/1000 Mbps) 20 seconds are no=
t enough to achieve saturation, and maybe things take while on starlink as =
well?

 Regards
         Sebastian




 On Jul 22, 2022, at 21:00, Dave Taht =
via Rpm <rpm@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet> wrote:

 First attempt =
timed out=2E Second attempt=2E=2E=2E

 =2E/networkQuality --config me=
nsura=2Ecdn-apple=2Ecom --port 443 --path
 /api/v1/gm/config
 07-22-2=
022 18:58:53 UTC Go Responsiveness to mensura=2Ecdn-apple=2Ecom:443=2E=2E=
=2E
 Download:  34=2E351 Mbps (  4=2E294 MBps), using 20 parallel connec=
tions=2E
 Upload:     3=2E653 Mbps (  0=2E457 MBps), using 20 parallel c=
onnections=2E
 RPM:   438



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