From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [IPv6:2a0c:4d80:42:2001::664]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B22213B29E; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 07:55:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1634730933; bh=JghA9GefjaUBoJx5NyBll5rel2Idke8HUKggAiL8r5M=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=VI4B+6474nzH8qW7cRZfpYB4ymbsh53s+1dI7DZIcCYpQ52dsRhyMyn8VHLtS7RQY TFLmNe/wIclsVYlyDh5RT/+c8FX5Vw/d/zjx21iTizTyltZG7av8/utpVx5evT8KyW 1O/EE/vAbulYS3yN28VWjKpNP5q0Bp0EnDe6ov0lZPo47azEaw2uTHediuzQjpU3Ed qd/6NGWDOTP6vAtue6Bnql6jeeVYd/uofs+3YCw5NCyoBtqL1Vz25rABCYzL/Fr0ly UudZ3XQIRXKOosk+WA47vObkESPplIQG0VQ/5mhgHvpfdMjqPDoAryPQJ3T27xBeSk DJJmLMdmEbwUw== To: Sebastian Moeller , Dave =?utf-8?Q?T=C3=A4ht?= Cc: Rpm , Make-Wifi-fast , Keith Winstein In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:55:33 +0200 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <878ryngbbe.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] tack - reducing acks on wlans X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:55:34 -0000 Sebastian Moeller writes: > Just reading the introduction: > "It is well-studied that medium acquisition overhead in WLAN based on > the IEEE 802.11 medium access control (MAC) protocol [11] can severely > hamper TCP throughput, and TCP=E2=80=99s many small ACKs are one reason [= 53, > 69]. Basically, TCP sends an ACK for every one or two packets (i.e., > received-packet-driven) [7, 15]. ACKs share the same medium route with > data packets, causing similar medium access overhead despite the much > smaller size of the ACK- s [8, 31, 36, 50, 58]. Contentions and > collisions, as well as the wasted wireless resources by ACKs, lead to > significant throughput decline on the data path (see =C2=A73.2)." > > makes me wonder whether the proper solution would not be to exchange > the WiFi MAC with something that is actually suited for existing > traffic patterns.... Well, there are people who want to do that (replace the MAC); it's called LTE-U: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_in_unlicensed_spectrum I'd much rather keep the WiFi MAC, thankyouverymuch. It may suck (for certain values of "suck"), but at least it doesn't impose a centralised controller on you :) -Toke