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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Cc: Jonathan Foulkes <jf@jonathanfoulkes.com>,
	Rich Brown <richb.hanover@gmail.com>,
	Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Rpm] Alternate definitions of "working condition" - unnecessary?
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 19:51:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bl3zl80c.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA93jw66i8KcCiVCqES9jdCoMdUNcHAWLQhM7NJjgL3-6Pf21Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 9:40 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Rpm
> <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>> Jonathan Foulkes via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> writes:
>>
>> > Let me add another tool, as it’s the one I use to ensure I measure
>> > full line capacity during our tuning tests. Netperf.
>> [...]
>> > But for research, I total agree Flent is great tool. Just wish it was
>> > easier to tweak parameters, maybe I just need to use it more ;-)
>>
>> Fun fact: I originally started working on Flent because I grew tired of
>> manually running 'netperf' tests. The original name was literally
>> 'netperf-wrapper' ;)
>>
>> The original idea was that you'd customise it by writing new test
>> definition files. Of course it has since turned out to be useful to
>> customise things more at runtime, and Flent has grown quite a few
>> features in that direction since. But the original legacy endures, so
>> there are certainly things you can only do by writing test definition
>> files.
>>
>> Anyway, specific feature requests are always welcome! :)
>
> I learned very painfully recently that using the gplv3 for anything
> results in a blanket ban for any use whatsoever at many companies.
> It might as well just be proprietary closed source code.
>
> I am not sure where to go from there, I recognise the 8+ years of work
> into flent make it into a tool that is vastly superior to
> anything else, but where it would do the most good - inside orgs
> building and testing new products - is prohibited by lawyers.

While I'm all for accommodating reasonable requests, I also prefer to
fix the root causes of problems. And in this case that's at layer 8:

Anyone whose lawyers tell them to not *use* Flent because of the GPLv3
license need to find themselves better lawyers. I did add a
clarification of this to the Flent documentation[0], but really it
shouldn't be necessary.

-Toke

[0] https://github.com/tohojo/flent/commit/d1a79eb227b050daf8137de0c8056a7ac85cd68b

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-08 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-06 19:11 Rich Brown
2021-10-06 20:36 ` Jonathan Foulkes
2021-10-07 16:40   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-07 18:49     ` Dave Taht
2021-10-08 17:51       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2021-10-07 21:39   ` Rich Brown
2021-10-06 21:22 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-06 23:18   ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-07  0:11     ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-07 10:29       ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-07 15:44         ` [Rpm] apple's fq_"codel" implementation Dave Taht
2021-10-07 10:30       ` [Rpm] Alternate definitions of "working condition" - unnecessary? Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-08  0:33         ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-08 23:32         ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-11  7:31           ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-11  9:01             ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-11 10:03               ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-11 17:34             ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-12 10:23               ` Sebastian Moeller

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