From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FBBA3B2A4; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 15:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 38IJc19i008207; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:38:01 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2009270EE9; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:37:59 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=irif.fr; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:message-id:date:date :received:received; s=dkim-irif; t=1695065878; x=1695929879; bh= W9fxmGWP72+07Bl4QlPkqAdYk+G8Z5ZmMMJFWpqg768=; b=kTXT4GETDWXzkT95 /1zw5GNHBoRFylKm4ZaWYQ4gPz9asU2++wHvZ4GwaM8dG2jJ4GNgqhTohcm5Pivj 3RPDWREoyLGqXIVVnvnMO55+bNLtsDjwHPvgw5jDbaq20c2IP3Llc3ZbD4OsEuRj Dv2XB2z5KmFdsFKvuwJDUFZJfqpNv0ENe5i8csdxKPeNWhP60de6xFNm/Ou8i7d+ ioUctHNESsGJiISdX0KoLf9EFB6ZzDyY47zfzhl0sI2sFn1kkXVuIWlLlop3hylk mgjobkNDi15QWaqt07GaEmBoFdMhgq95m33DZcxaQaO8pD6HyAG7pl0Nh2QzBNgU 6yXRpQ== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id 2ClFqN_-dqX6; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:37:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B49171108; Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:37:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:37:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87cyyfqnl7.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: David Lang Cc: Dave Taht , Rpm , Dave Taht via Starlink , bloat In-Reply-To: References: <874jjrsmc8.wl-jch@irif.fr> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/29.1 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Mon, 18 Sep 2023 21:38:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 6508A719.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 6508A719.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 6508A719.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Bloat] retransmit cost over cellular X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:38:05 -0000 > what apps do you have on the phone and what are they configured to update? > that will make a huge difference. It's not about my phone, it's about that of the author of the blog. > 'idle' probably isn't nearly as passive as you think it is. My personal phone is almost completely idle when I'm not using it. In the last 10 days, I've had access to my laptop, and the phone claims it has used up 526kB of mobile data, while my provider claims I've used up 210kB. I suspect almost all of that is for AGPS. (But then, I'm running LineageOS without Gapps and I only install free software. So I'm fairly certain the phone doesn't speak any REST-like protocols behind my back.) -- Juliusz