From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x834.google.com (mail-qt1-x834.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::834]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 637A13B29D; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x834.google.com with SMTP id o18so3781426qtk.7; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:40:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=45PHb69ugGH9KY38IAADfKVQbd4M6WPbYm7WTT/58PM=; b=CKGm06w3nNp/ZdWi5fg7hmkII/t02u3B25TzbnZG3oC63Bd1jea/CgdpfnfUe8T0vw crZreatf/C53N+FC14xAi7V+scPSV2KRQXAN274+PabGw5ZKbYqhsPCX2KDnae/qhgg8 YUaQcgAfaKLCauYnO5/rft0Iq5LaNSdomuPdtrOnIQawatDFLK3sRaXtIlKTyQbYoSW8 frpcjybm8qBWpHsnK5a8b8YLrF9rnZ+7d7hxu+yyNnX9l03ZYhL0XlafwmhObijcW0zv 6SRsKqpfcGmF2L0YCLIlcuIOxa782vksfiP/kzKw3fZ0Nqg3KcgRQES0wX5PXAg9d43O 4HuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=45PHb69ugGH9KY38IAADfKVQbd4M6WPbYm7WTT/58PM=; b=fcI0G4JQqCto7sUl//vmmfU59w6PKfVnMlShTGehxJia16XTHenAm7ICcqg5y24Gmz gp7SGkIUpa0WTGM3COtZuoDIDL2SFVy2cp33xRPaQRekacvk2+HgXUNtufPZxAPsGhqJ kmeuqNh51d9ZC8Hwt9MCbqwX4OfOky6ZydFsF5c+abvfMw21FmeN1KT3n65IaX9yala7 gkzcJfCsKqwItX0G/fXjl05En3Qj8zfszPdi/6i+gUH9SlgWDRgQG5NXuUuXBI0BqOUf w9DO/RjGvpb9ZYyztXJA9l2g6IldJ2gskPEAFoggCalQ4EKtRp6kFny/OAujKzJxcr8L Eo+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530yAR7CIwQ7yV1U6bfUJNJOgie8SLJhxgMOiDhrhKYfH0GIyRcw iPgAjEvRm1smlTpFHCsplvg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx/jS5kLZu6oiu1NOpCv7wNMeOuwt+9f8FtGSl5UZZBWHN/VFepqXIGqWqkWgW6SUsGd/jRAQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:48d:b0:2e1:d4ff:3179 with SMTP id p13-20020a05622a048d00b002e1d4ff3179mr2225506qtx.442.1649950804871; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.253.116] ([198.55.239.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b2-20020a37b202000000b0069c7ad47221sm845797qkf.38.2022.04.14.08.40.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Rich Brown In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:40:03 -0400 Cc: bloat , Rpm Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9363DD4A-BADD-4AD3-9730-406F5B3F7F3B@gmail.com> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Subject: Re: [Rpm] broadband cost analysis X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 15:40:05 -0000 One item to consider re: costs. My rural NH town just installed fiber to = run past all premises. A quick estimate of total capital cost uses two = numbers: - $40K/mile to hang the fiber on existing utility poles on the road - $2K-$4K per premise for the drop cable from the pole and the router in = the premise > On Apr 14, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Dave Taht via Rpm = wrote: >=20 > Looking at figure 7 (non-adoption rates by age group), nearly 30% of > those under 30 do not have fixed broadband. > =46rom an informal survey of those I know in that age range, they are > primarily dependent on their cell phones, > cannot live at a fixed address for long enough to adopt fixed > broadband solutions, and go to coffee shops and > libraries (and the office) to get their connectivity. I am kind of > curious as to the trendline here - a cellphone is a must > for this generation, quality fixed internet merely a nice to have. >=20 > On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:18 AM Dave Taht wrote: >>=20 >> pretty good: >>=20 >> = https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f5282b71117310d16e654d3/t/6256eb4e= fbb468024f396969/1649863506445/Toward+Effective+Administration+of+State+an= d+Local+Fixed+Broadband+Programs+-+04.12.22+Final+Report.pdf >>=20 >> My lowball cost estimate for "better, recycled routers" would be >> somewhere in the 20 dollar range for the 25/3mbit segment, which >> depending on how you do the math per above is somewhere between 10 = and >> 65 million people. >>=20 >> It would be cool to have good bufferbloat statistics for the 25/3mbit >> portion of the population. >>=20 >> -- >> I tried to build a better future, a few times: >> https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >>=20 >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org >=20 > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm