From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp02.apple.com (ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp02.apple.com [17.171.2.68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 355C93B29E; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pps.filterd (ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp02.apple.com [127.0.0.1]) by ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp02.apple.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 19KN8XEI037475; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:08:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apple.com; h=content-type : mime-version : subject : from : in-reply-to : date : cc : content-transfer-encoding : message-id : references : to; s=20180706; bh=W2836rBVQST1fAgKVrFnMNkSD7KMGnJVkU0UMv0FO6U=; b=nX8Mmn0UAJxnFW+VLEaXB2n25ZXKFhsu3qiMwLHoE9OsIqKAtKWxNihqONJOAUBmF0+q H63msB2UyzJMFAgEF7M2wEnT2ZibeoNJ+PUsHyGCrZQlDXQ9zjpFy7lTLmnhSUPZ5pTH n3H77/kfuRpOoaT2RsJlCu41HeJOqVaqk6b8Tz/ZtGDvCWNknMI8pVb+E1IoWrcOdPPi Tr0ZljtFZ2+y8042Z8IKSeDXWGAmUqKV5bZb6/uzgFc3PdHF5c4qVl0RTnZuKaz56Qul Wzt9YHp/QK6HbuPKMmW5pfsIOu4Usd4tTVk6P+71zIfHxkIh4hYp3nOiKrkKgJpEAQwR 9Q== Received: from rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp01.rno.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp01.rno.apple.com [10.225.203.149]) by ma1-aaemail-dr-lapp02.apple.com with ESMTP id 3bqudv5te6-3 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:08:35 -0700 Received: from rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com [17.179.253.15]) by rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp01.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.12.20210903 64bit (built Sep 3 2021)) with ESMTPS id <0R1A00OEOTLJKXL0@rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp01.rno.apple.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from process_milters-daemon.rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com by rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.12.20210903 64bit (built Sep 3 2021)) id <0R1A00P00TJ07100@rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:08:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Va-A: X-Va-T-CD: 91949cb67ad5a17194231cf3cf1e09f7 X-Va-E-CD: d3a48291620af73eb9fcea673981ba5f X-Va-R-CD: 5cdfdcba50b9d9b947b9f24c432665be X-Va-CD: 0 X-Va-ID: 5347b36f-e82c-483b-9c25-5e7493a82df2 X-V-A: X-V-T-CD: 91949cb67ad5a17194231cf3cf1e09f7 X-V-E-CD: d3a48291620af73eb9fcea673981ba5f X-V-R-CD: 5cdfdcba50b9d9b947b9f24c432665be X-V-CD: 0 X-V-ID: 85aecbc1-50a3-49e4-b50d-500c87dd7b6e X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.425, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-10-20_06:2021-10-20, 2021-10-20 signatures=0 Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [17.11.42.216]) by rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.12.20210903 64bit (built Sep 3 2021)) with ESMTPSA id <0R1A00NNSTLJAB00@rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com>; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.2\)) From: Omer Shapira In-reply-to: <09884015-6428-4402-BE61-9091006D1FB8@ifi.uio.no> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:08:06 -0700 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= , Rpm , Make-Wifi-fast , Keith Winstein Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <4BD0AC02-62FB-4AE4-B83B-BAF5CCEA2B24@ifi.uio.no> <87lf2of2sl.fsf@toke.dk> <09884015-6428-4402-BE61-9091006D1FB8@ifi.uio.no> To: Michael Welzl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.2) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.425, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-10-20_06:2021-10-20, 2021-10-20 signatures=0 Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] tack - reducing acks on wlans X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 23:08:41 -0000 > On Oct 20, 2021, at 3:13 AM, Michael Welzl via Rpm = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 20 Oct 2021, at 11:44, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen = wrote: >>=20 >> Michael Welzl writes: >>=20 >>> Am I being naive? Why can't such an ARQ proxy be deployed? Is it = just >>> because standardizing this negotiation is too difficult, or would it >>> also be too computationally heavy for an AP perhaps, at high speeds? >>=20 >> Immediate thought: this won't work for QUIC >=20 > .... as-is, true, though MASQUE is still being defined. Is this an = argument for defining it accordingly? Can you elaborate?=20 >=20 >=20 >> or other encrypted >> transports (like VPNs). >=20 > Correct. >=20 > Cheers, > Michael >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm