From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32c.google.com (mail-wm1-x32c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D301B3B29D; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32c.google.com with SMTP id h205-20020a1c21d6000000b003c6c154d528so47325wmh.4; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:49:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=GAbwzXU6/0bCbrNUgx+Jt9VLka7Wla1I7HV245yhTJE=; b=QXo47gB3H7tPg0PTBdoBzyGmX38tapm+oUjDsBPGHy30ffHIsWegzm4KLwDaHFbbhn cf+eWhhGpOKTWmFBMhA9wf0Gq58mYanhZiSaoQ5XvgXS+4LM+67t1+mSS+OZgUnJWp1x 2RclFWy6Yah3M3OMujzJkbk0IjIFbkoQXNbQ/sAvVYnBtTrKSdM0VAdKoaK7DXqakUV0 xeXrsfZcvZ4ngX4Y0Dgrm89jHyBB4D0l4A7xnjp2qmIWKSbtO2SCdpYbEh2jbbVbvNh0 SFtbW5DU1IyFJ6p8XXDCn8LWRiL0oHBCrELeHvjP3JT+cyQnT2gihX8EaOP4zYdkbinv CGcw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=GAbwzXU6/0bCbrNUgx+Jt9VLka7Wla1I7HV245yhTJE=; b=C5SUjpb5NSyNrS2w4s1bGqXA66+PhJr8XVcnd6pfl/iSa1c77FmBlndBDHYJECDCDM BVhMeWdNx9bLQ8ttGiWHkKjgA9Rj5RwoEzGutQTlqxYiG6/ZmZjmiZSUy3mZa4dYlSJ5 +NkLgNDBy+oHt/ycnKDySRC2tX6ZRGA5MEDYBbl/Ref7+M+USc3BwdqsCt3FQpjtXXCX xG0WcMVqekBFJNgHnhcnBuwfx523jM84ySor/mzoxOUvj7edmIRtvpzSwyWruqe+L9Gt WGUpw5/Gnsy2jGMDZPxL8X3G/WBgDcFx+QToybiS39svPiMmhiNQCYDfeUCMz+/jOT76 ZBSg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1J4kLWZckWKZaKVGUWK88bz6cimElC8tu1TXGZjR6sEf9G+eDq pNw1ei3qACuVlcXtZDM9EMl9EpZegF0jIj0XA/8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM6sqftEfIf1wZLO2nWdUrFyUy/b7Is144SVEuyiSAh6u7z/XAR3na8I53Qrs/z1OYDKeGZv/m3C7qgJjPpTFsY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:1909:b0:3b4:aa30:40df with SMTP id j9-20020a05600c190900b003b4aa3040dfmr7424639wmq.205.1665683359671; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:49:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <72674884-9E0D-4645-B5F5-C593CC45A8F0@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 10:49:06 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Livingood, Jason" Cc: Bob McMahon , Rich Brown , Cake List , Rpm , Make-Wifi-fast , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 17:49:21 -0000 There is a really good looking conference oct 19th, for people that care about p99 stuff. It's free: https://www.p99conf.io/ It looks like great fun, so I'm attending. ... while I figure I will have FOUND MY PEOPLE, it's more, trying to get more people interested in stuff along the edge of reliability is always on my mind, so, like, feel free to give all your employees and managers and people in the c-suite the day off so they can hear about the benefits of OCD for all. On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 10:45 AM Livingood, Jason via Rpm wrote: > > > Better is that network engineers "design bloat out" from the beginning = starting by properly sizing queues to service jitter, and for WiFi, to also= enable aggregation techniques that minimize TXOP consumption. > > > > Maybe =E2=80=93 like =E2=80=98security by design=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98pr= ivacy by design=E2=80=99 =E2=80=93 we need =E2=80=98low latency by design= =E2=80=99 for network engineers! ;-) > > > > JL > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm --=20 This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813666656= 07352320-FXtz Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC