From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32d.google.com (mail-wm1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 347D13B29E for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3f09b9ac51dso1467665e9.0 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681506158; x=1684098158; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=0VGaPC8+p7gWjanZvrldP9+v2q20mjJPew14jempGjo=; b=JsYguTQQFiBP2dq/3RVrt0yfNseOfmwXZb0q5q/6eCJMUtyt39IL1r/j0wd/0n5QXM VWicH1d/DQMuzSyobZpl6Z4Fsgpuv1h51GlDGzohjPG545bfo48YeZkkDtYXAIw3rsxn tg4Hf14DpqLDTtVT+negoOa9SkPBTFtYZ2tpE7DtcnQ1Psz4c4DwyB8KK1XB7LHm/4wI QM1kGK27B/TUGgii8lyIFUUgcQOGC+xkTfqiH3/HUa9AAlkzRv909R9vQrymuaLp65Uk U6QvnESMDpcQiSBKV1sq9/lqbHpHigGP0uqByXPnH90i71hLryfs13oV1qDpMXpFf/ne l8ng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681506158; x=1684098158; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0VGaPC8+p7gWjanZvrldP9+v2q20mjJPew14jempGjo=; b=blzN7PmjXkPqnGX/1KRkRP46cJ9YdZH962C7EodmZHVr8EkilDLK3qLQCWh+NhFLcF sfq4aI3k8HTeNAM4Bw/X/pAgU90HlVXdx78gRLupulQSsnbz9U0Er1rScQN3J/1YDn5l qoDYXIuG1weGnFNVekgpmH2Hs4WDiQYLGs5bicds8pIolMI/vVpBvc5BqHdWafKQXNyW uxILPcJPJifSpWVa10TvlmXeL+jhn5OJ3kSxbaiuNQVXPlRRmFwK76hkQcPcQmDRkiTU gSXM1i2OvM5FvtbJSYPZCRhEJZpuq4xEC0hSrs1OAJUTnSPO8UDBSdHVHZ1ThxYu4BIW ZwHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9fIl1+D+AUSsK9l4hVZfY6w4Frxd5nYtKzWsSfyJ48u2Jbme25r ZMCXvdwt3ghcnAfl78rnxuQ3znGYbCuL6Zt96ydJAmM73pI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350ar5I1gjTGUCapYCVvR36SIbw7ZYNc8aQcJXtXsOmYynRNOkcUI2zA/qTmAQp0OCr7fT5b+Z8/KUSeJ3K6Wx3M= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4012:0:b0:2e5:8575:6f7c with SMTP id n18-20020a5d4012000000b002e585756f7cmr44163wrp.4.1681506157960; Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:02:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:02:26 -0700 Message-ID: To: Christoph Paasch Cc: Rpm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Rpm] the de-evolution of rpm X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:02:39 -0000 I was not aware until this moment of the existence of the slack channel, poor me! Anyway (all?), should I discontinue this mailing list, in preference for that? I have had had a tendency to cc rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net on more general measurement stuff, but perhaps ippm or slack would be a better home for it now? There are 53 users on this list, but so few postings besides the occasional cc from the bloat list. On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:15=E2=80=AFPM Christoph Paasch wrote: > > Hello Dave, > > On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Dave Taht via Rpm wrote: > > I have not been paying a lot of attention here of late. I objected to > the enormous number of flows goresponsiveness was doing, and strongly > suggested it run to time of first loss or mark. > > I find 4 flows enough > to stress out a network. > > > 4 flows should often be enough to utilize a network at its full capacity.= However, are 4 flows going to provide you stable working conditions in suc= h a way that the bottleneck=E2=80=99s buffers are entirely full over an ext= ended period without fluctuations due to the congestion-response of the ind= ividual flows? Also, what is the convergence time to reach stable working c= onditions and full buffer utilization at 4 flows? > > Now, that being said. I don=E2=80=99t think that the exact number of flow= s is that important. They just need to be enough to fill the buffers in a s= table way. All nit-picking on the number of flows just distracts us from ac= tually solving problems on the Internet. > > Anyway, is the structure of networkQuality > changing any in ippm? > > > Yes, the IETF-draft is continuously evolving. You can read the latest ver= sion at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-responsivenes= s. > > Discussions around the methodology and the development of the tools as we= ll as addressing issues we find in open-source networking stacks is all hap= pening at the =E2=80=9CNetwork-quality community=E2=80=9D, at https://githu= b.com/network-quality/community/wiki. We have a slack-channel and a weekly = meeting. Everyone who is actively working on development is invited to join= our slack-channel and attend the weekly meetings. (The "active development= " is a strong requirement ) > > > Cheers, > Christoph > > Some context here: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/amazoneero/comments/12ksu9d/sqm_optimizing_for_v= ideoconferencing_and_gaming/jg4zsq2/?context=3D8&depth=3D9 > > > -- > AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm > > --=20 AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC