From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-io1-xd2c.google.com (mail-io1-xd2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2D753CB35 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2021 14:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2c.google.com with SMTP id m20so7145264iol.4 for ; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:49:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AYiJcWc50NnI7zi+/kpj4en0cNmPxm3bHR3TqbnCTbM=; b=O8uSNum62xs8EUMx4uvt+IgOZmqEP3OmUuHVaFq0/eeyW3wXk1DQE0exOwrtXvRl5p g1l0cdNTltRPDVh7rM/icDP+yE9gtuNCLq3t7SFpdrPAwfkkqKKa+YYNvWUMVQJynWCR 5RJUEtJUJLJho659qs9VUf8LHR8JtdjXQj/tNKRUxK/lop9vYOq7T1Lfv8AtHqfQw8Fu NzzcdKkEitAd7jJfsUyYT+IK4xCgLgSF2gMJUWLL7WQSbIoOMslt6PXdKyH5YrRnLgYb CyqQvPNYXfVWbfZsTUvRAIaocFFA2e2vGHQ2HCTlZxWHX7fXumVqpoJDouFBHNsa2PL1 OH1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AYiJcWc50NnI7zi+/kpj4en0cNmPxm3bHR3TqbnCTbM=; b=B8OKZLu27rST1bZcpgLWrvWyqrjXvyKSbgopVJnX5VHZref4RzuK9Q29mILkbBSBkZ VPawavWwj4Y2L7OaFCjcpOqW95MZIVgGektpltCY/vzXTnl8qCx+JTlEw7i6gAfpCuEV 2PkhS0O10RSzQxcLXoI5eeJKKKrEMNxDQmZ2/zTN/3w0hXCX6S+gOeh9VtN/J7ClAr28 Rnthwg5NwzrtaUxPXouqV12Ijf1VOqD9p6W53DlLU/RDLwHtlq4ZNR3H0CH9dwMQOmgB h+md8muxmfWV9jnRSSnyV7nIGYzkHT3LdyZfaV/hNGf4qP/nlnoJyEgpALno/JXDsV7B sBdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ZNMoSQpfzYRx2bm0ymgLUgedlSge99CnGvtTA/K5G5DhgYDgz yNc7dfTGiEvD1PYYq0NCbb1GhctwEiwHbA5edH0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyJ1uoOeozZjzaUO1weYoYzvy5gNXQGgEKIzilgcPAY93E8awUOTGjotuY82+Q27/JrrkadDx+70aR9VLLP6V8= X-Received: by 2002:a02:c9d9:: with SMTP id c25mr4321082jap.81.1633632589956; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:49:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7B6803AB-A910-4BD0-A4E8-63E7CD600790@jonathanfoulkes.com> <87bl40n5yv.fsf@toke.dk> In-Reply-To: <87bl40n5yv.fsf@toke.dk> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 11:49:37 -0700 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Cc: Jonathan Foulkes , Rich Brown , Rpm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Rpm] Alternate definitions of "working condition" - unnecessary? X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 18:49:50 -0000 On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 9:40 AM Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen via Rpm wrote: > > Jonathan Foulkes via Rpm writes: > > > Let me add another tool, as it=E2=80=99s the one I use to ensure I meas= ure > > full line capacity during our tuning tests. Netperf. > [...] > > But for research, I total agree Flent is great tool. Just wish it was > > easier to tweak parameters, maybe I just need to use it more ;-) > > Fun fact: I originally started working on Flent because I grew tired of > manually running 'netperf' tests. The original name was literally > 'netperf-wrapper' ;) > > The original idea was that you'd customise it by writing new test > definition files. Of course it has since turned out to be useful to > customise things more at runtime, and Flent has grown quite a few > features in that direction since. But the original legacy endures, so > there are certainly things you can only do by writing test definition > files. > > Anyway, specific feature requests are always welcome! :) I learned very painfully recently that using the gplv3 for anything results in a blanket ban for any use whatsoever at many companies. It might as well just be proprietary closed source code. I am not sure where to go from there, I recognise the 8+ years of work into flent make it into a tool that is vastly superior to anything else, but where it would do the most good - inside orgs building and testing new products - is prohibited by lawyers. > -Toke > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm --=20 Fixing Starlink's Latencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC