From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-il1-x12e.google.com (mail-il1-x12e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 096873CB35; Mon, 22 Nov 2021 22:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-il1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id s14so20269835ilv.10; Mon, 22 Nov 2021 19:35:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jwwh3hcim7DVlCdkj9D0POUxTJ3rDf06Ci5JsGcxgYY=; b=CutbdqGqhbF7sbcvElJKWdloPFLm69MdFfRkp9ZPhvscnNnhSelLMokUmrzOog+g/x TaMzveAOuzbKVT+qVn+jmTjzTtfDHbp4ODqgp8GfaIAscyfyJr+jwqNNzXdlMr5g4ihq ZA2gN6+uf4HAK3GwzhoIcUsVisRg3lI304rGFStGzmyQ76Vbp4uqsAcdILAZOSJI0pBq A5FCmfBvGXHxFV2WKjwNTIXGJt6vS6SkbfXFjUB9OUAAjFFloH0jdnYjhbCFX7PEt1ZP ttQRsB1xI6MTIVE/TqlanEHp9rlj20GiO19bWHHXONdVPzAmF/IVAHgtVTIM4WuWVjac 9YuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Jwwh3hcim7DVlCdkj9D0POUxTJ3rDf06Ci5JsGcxgYY=; b=MpWp7tQNxyF0vN9dlP+swwGYK1wXu+u3DRB1gDBSuSKHJbH89TNGI4g+toqCk0n/aG 5anaSnd8i9D7iu1jtgVs5V7SXCiTISyOIGZaNJWmp4aTReJn1UcfBzn9tnGPWMNu6+0g gQKzib5YqvQ/cGYGAED4u1EZt6mGBm8GYYWBBAyQU5U0UvjVsnRP4wPqkQDAaXtnS7FB QtRDAIYm6PbPugB2Fmpvn01V+JwzfJm8Gq606AMCFkC/NtsYNk0FvHEeWEFYLvKxRp5L 5t5pmL2OvbIS2RIXnafdpXIPLoTroFI9Xik/vqE/fYs/xv7aDkykiVxx0ziFjh5yWk2g rwLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531OxOxxPBh2j7X1eZshGpnyvRO8net/iU0tk0UcvvSwK7SM2Hi7 XUyA5MGZp+Ofz9eEP7pxgnRnctYno31Lx/Q69Nxj9m3HDSs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzle27l/B9Xg5xjl0kCEg9JxFxkxxtboKnbqDT3Xz2T5Xu4C/2wQ3RGvpULxoOW35KB7xU/udQL7jx6xxgS8eI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:16c9:: with SMTP id 9mr2030409ilx.221.1637638540062; Mon, 22 Nov 2021 19:35:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 19:35:26 -0800 Message-ID: To: bloat , Rpm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Rpm] *under*bloated networks X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 03:35:41 -0000 In the last two weeks I have found two dramatically underbuffered Gbit fiber networks. This one appears to have about a 400 full size packet uplink buffer (5ms)[1= ] https://imgur.com/a/Bm9hdNf It was pretty remarkable to see how well multiple tcp flows still achieved close to the full rate with such a small fixed size queue, eventually. A single bbr flow can't crack 150mbits: https://imgur.com/a/DpydL5K. [1] Data courtesy testing "eethaw"'s eero 6's new hardware fq_codel offload, which is, seemingly good to a gbit at least on one direction. https://www.reddit.com/r/eero/comments/qxbkcl/66_is_out/ --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC