From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52b.google.com (mail-ed1-x52b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0729C3B29D; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 11:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52b.google.com with SMTP id s25so6341536edi.13; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:24:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zabFvpYtHVTM0JyG8oXE1PFC5DYNIGWp+pH7CQ1eDBw=; b=ZVPX3OMIijT+OBDg5lscrw69fIkKWzMMhzaelFdb9MX2VLH/qJpNyxXcFob0sGlnz6 avuiDMxBeLhg73vkkvH/0DrplSKAWD7S3Jj+/UfxTlXhG9GJBexjP0B0Dj+La+W9BSf+ SQzD/xNVmwf1m5LnoC9uWT65BQd1wZgCLaC+l9UCzQ2PoUzu2mJ621Bcjqed0GYw09HF sBCf8UitenJZEjML9WjpvGzQmWSF4rZu7v14S3GdyT1fXG6MugPE1Tz7aVOSTs3lGHSp FSPTeClFgb13XjrPs1jNk7Fg5D5uHo8lpLa32MaxgsZNJEAAn3SE3FCDO/S0VDQpc8BC JgRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zabFvpYtHVTM0JyG8oXE1PFC5DYNIGWp+pH7CQ1eDBw=; b=me5C1CTuL4z+OUyhM0PmTjSGqrhhdxwFYbeytjYHorXUxY/pzYBWMvIhFvnGiENy2A 7bjOiB17VAM2L+XL9TB1FXPTiD8bwKaB/mfKVKw43ouhpGzefLty80DK0PYvzdcPAEk9 vTL5B8HZSCVAx2iWVsbytEIKGwC2CXbywKGKWGsG58Z42wNOu1KV0w7Osnb/4yilOnx5 onAIQLZEDhgG3TMztANWW88dB1pPi1V/t3utIHw7LdYI9fxRBYLp/2hJlRmKLDcKRj0L f+h6a1zyCbQMV1TghRn+189WiL1thn9cHrfRf20ailqxM8GPCN9URUvaMJTVbSSzxkB4 7OqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533yex+B+ap1NyEddxruWEPKRhMkUM0f/ggOAnJCsbFzWht6f9wO N+lufI/q/RUVR4hUh7SJYAn3KbABhgqhqBOtgReHQftlen0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxaxMGN+kre9SfZWZRwDkzdhmL2SoQ74aNPcItgwTjrfoc1oCtMEvaCHKsYfWH/DjPGCW8gLbjX9vFMZxxx3VY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:35d2:b0:421:36a0:1bc8 with SMTP id z18-20020a05640235d200b0042136a01bc8mr2686188edc.28.1649949886548; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:24:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:24:33 -0700 Message-ID: To: bloat , Rpm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Rpm] broadband cost analysis X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 15:24:48 -0000 Looking at figure 7 (non-adoption rates by age group), nearly 30% of those under 30 do not have fixed broadband. >From an informal survey of those I know in that age range, they are primarily dependent on their cell phones, cannot live at a fixed address for long enough to adopt fixed broadband solutions, and go to coffee shops and libraries (and the office) to get their connectivity. I am kind of curious as to the trendline here - a cellphone is a must for this generation, quality fixed internet merely a nice to have. On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:18 AM Dave Taht wrote: > > pretty good: > > https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f5282b71117310d16e654d3/t/6256eb4= efbb468024f396969/1649863506445/Toward+Effective+Administration+of+State+an= d+Local+Fixed+Broadband+Programs+-+04.12.22+Final+Report.pdf > > My lowball cost estimate for "better, recycled routers" would be > somewhere in the 20 dollar range for the 25/3mbit segment, which > depending on how you do the math per above is somewhere between 10 and > 65 million people. > > It would be cool to have good bufferbloat statistics for the 25/3mbit > portion of the population. > > -- > I tried to build a better future, a few times: > https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC