Re: [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] [Starlink] On FiWi

[Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:18 PM dan via Bloat
<bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> end users are still going to want their own router/firewall.

I am old fashioned this way, also, but I think most modern users would
not care, any more about this. They are used to pretty much having all
their data exposed to the internet, available via cellphone, and used
to having their security cameras and other personal information, gone,
out there.

They just want internet.

> That's
> my point, I don't see how you can have that on-prem firewall while
> having a remote radio that's useful.
>
> I would adamantly oppose anyone I know passing their firewall off to
> the upstream vendor.   I run an MSP and I would offer a customer to
> drop my services if they were to buy into something like this on the
> business side.
>
> So I really only see this sort of concept for campus networks where
> the end users are 'part' of the entity.
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:14 PM Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's not  discrete routers. It's more like a transceiver. WiFi is already splitting at the MAC for MLO. I perceive two choices for the split, one at the PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802.3 tunneling of 802.11 back to the FiWi head end. Use 802.3 to leverage merchant silicon supporting up to 200 or so RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there. I think a split PHY may not work well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
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> > On Mar 14, 2023, at 10:54 AM, dan <dandenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  You could always do it yourself.
> >>>
> >>>  Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them IT services. This need is only going to grow and grow. We can help by producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service providers.
> >>>
> >>>  Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because he hated "the orifices." Probably time for many of us to revisit our belief set. Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly?
> >>>
> >>>  FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment. Who does it is secondary.
> >>>
> >>>  Bob
> >>
> >>
> >> most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol.
> >>
> >> I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime
> >> soon.  If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just
> >> talking XGSPON or similar.
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