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From: dan <dandenson@gmail.com>
To: Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
Cc: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>,
	 Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Mike Puchol <mike@starlink.sx>,
	 bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	 libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [Bloat]  [Starlink] On FiWi
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:18:26 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA_JP8U6Qei4qckOmJS2zRvFWfXbk=x3VoU2pAXu0JoUg1CR1w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <063359bf-5bf3-4688-852c-a7d81e6b80a3@rjmcmahon.com>

end users are still going to want their own router/firewall.  That's
my point, I don't see how you can have that on-prem firewall while
having a remote radio that's useful.

I would adamantly oppose anyone I know passing their firewall off to
the upstream vendor.   I run an MSP and I would offer a customer to
drop my services if they were to buy into something like this on the
business side.

So I really only see this sort of concept for campus networks where
the end users are 'part' of the entity.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:14 PM Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
>
> It's not  discrete routers. It's more like a transceiver. WiFi is already splitting at the MAC for MLO. I perceive two choices for the split, one at the PHY DAC or, two, a minimalist 802.3 tunneling of 802.11 back to the FiWi head end. Use 802.3 to leverage merchant silicon supporting up to 200 or so RRHs or even move the baseband DSP there. I think a split PHY may not work well but a thorough eng analysis is still warranted.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> Get BlueMail for Android
> On Mar 14, 2023, at 10:54 AM, dan <dandenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  You could always do it yourself.
>>>
>>>  Most people need high skilled network engineers to provide them IT services. This need is only going to grow and grow. We can help by producing better and simpler offerings, be they DIY or by service providers.
>>>
>>>  Steve Job's almost didn't support the iPhone development because he hated "the orifices." Probably time for many of us to revisit our belief set. Does it move the needle, even if imperfectly?
>>>
>>>  FiWi blows the needle off the gauge by my judgment. Who does it is secondary.
>>>
>>>  Bob
>>
>>
>> most people are unwilling to pay for those services also lol.
>>
>> I don't see the paradigm of discreet routers/nat per prem anytime
>> soon.  If you subtract that piece of it then we're basically just
>> talking XGSPON or similar.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-14 19:18 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <mailman.2651.1672779463.1281.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
     [not found] ` <1672786712.106922180@apps.rackspace.com>
     [not found]   ` <F4CA66DA-516C-438A-8D8A-5F172E5DFA75@cable.comcast.com>
2023-01-09 15:26     ` [Rpm] [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00       ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04       ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33         ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 18:54       ` [Rpm] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19         ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56           ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-01-09 21:00             ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02             ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08               ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] " Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06                   ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12                   ` [Rpm] " dan
2023-03-13 16:36                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26                       ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37                         ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42                           ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32                               ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 20:00                                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14  4:27                                     ` [Rpm] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10                                       ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54                                         ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06                                           ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:11                                             ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-14 17:35                                               ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:54                                                 ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-14 18:14                                                   ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 19:18                                                     ` dan [this message]
2023-03-14 19:30                                                       ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-14 20:06                                                         ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 19:30                                                       ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 23:30                                                         ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-15  0:11                                                           ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-15  5:20                                                             ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 16:17                                                               ` Aaron Wood
2023-03-15 17:05                                                                 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 17:44                                                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 19:22                                                                   ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " David Lang
2023-03-15 17:32                                                               ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:42                                                                 ` dan
2023-03-15 19:33                                                                   ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " David Lang
2023-03-15 19:39                                                                     ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52                                                                       ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04                                                                         ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08                                                                           ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43                                                                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49                                                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53                                                                     ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59                                                                       ` dan
2023-03-15 19:39                                                                       ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38                                         ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21                                           ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01                                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19                                             ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37                                               ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57                                                 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50                                                   ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18                                                     ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57                                                       ` [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-18 20:40                                                         ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26                                                           ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00                                                             ` [Rpm] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20  0:26                                                               ` dan
2023-03-20  3:03                                                                 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46                                                             ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28                                                               ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38                                                                 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02                                                                   ` [Rpm] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47                                                                     ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-21  0:10                                                                 ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21  5:21                                                                   ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26                                                                     ` [Rpm] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
2023-03-21 12:29                                                                     ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 12:30                                                                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:42                                                                     ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08                                                                       ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:51                                                                         ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 19:58                                                                           ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 20:06                                                                             ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-25 19:39                                                                             ` [Rpm] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:09                                                                               ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 20:47                                                                                 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:15                                                                               ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43                                                                                 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08                                                                                   ` [Rpm] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04                                                                                     ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:50                                                                                       ` dan
2023-03-25 23:21                                                                                         ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:35                                                                                           ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-26  0:04                                                                                             ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26  0:07                                                                                               ` Nathan Owens
2023-03-26  0:50                                                                                                 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26  8:45                                                                                                 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-03-26 18:54                                                                                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26  0:28                                                                                               ` David Lang
2023-03-26  0:57                                                                                                 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:57                                                                                       ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [Bloat] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 23:33                                                                                         ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-25 23:38                                                                                         ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [Bloat] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:20                                                                                       ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-26 18:29                                                                                         ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 10:34                                                                                   ` [Rpm] [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 18:12                                                                                     ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 20:57                                                                                     ` David Lang
2023-03-25 20:27                                                                               ` [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 23:15                                             ` [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] On FiWi David Lang
2023-03-13 19:33                           ` [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA dan
2023-03-13 19:52                             ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 21:00                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:27                                 ` dan
2023-03-14  9:11                                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:45                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:02                               ` [Rpm] When do you drop? Always! Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:04                 ` [Rpm] UnderBloat on fiber and wisps Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:09                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 20:49         ` [Rpm] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Taht
2023-01-09 19:13       ` [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:47         ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-11 18:32           ` Rodney W. Grimes
2023-01-11 20:01             ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-11 21:46               ` Dick Roy
2023-01-12  8:22                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-12 18:02                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-12 21:34                     ` Dick Roy
2023-01-12 20:39                   ` Dick Roy
2023-01-13  7:33                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-13  8:26                       ` Dick Roy
2023-01-13  7:40                     ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-13  8:10                       ` Dick Roy
2023-01-15 23:09                         ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-11 20:09             ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-12  8:14               ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-12 17:49                 ` Robert McMahon
2023-01-12 21:57                   ` Dick Roy
2023-01-13  7:44                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-13  8:01                       ` Dick Roy
2023-01-09 20:20         ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 20:46           ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 20:59             ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 21:06               ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:18                 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:02             ` Dick Roy
2023-01-10 17:36         ` David P. Reed

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