[Rpm] LUL 220ms flat over starlink

[Rpm] LUL 220ms flat over starlink

[Dave Taht]

It is my guess over a path this (inaccurately selected? lasered?)
long, the new speedtest doesn't saturate the link.

https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1554404854763819008

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Re: [Rpm] LUL 220ms flat over starlink

[Brennen Smith]

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Compared to GEO Sat links, this is very reasonable latency and distance.

Either GeoIP is wrong, or they’re starting to balance within the mesh for
capacity. If you look very closely at the maritime announcement - they’re
right on schedule for the latter.

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 07:41 Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is my guess over a path this (inaccurately selected? lasered?)
> long, the new speedtest doesn't saturate the link.
>
> https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1554404854763819008
>
> --
> FQ World Domination pending:
> https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/
> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>
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Re: [Rpm] [Starlink] LUL 220ms flat over starlink

[Mike Puchol]

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The status of ISL has improved considerably over the last two months. It is now totally feasible to use in-plane (shown in my simulation, blue lines) and cross-plane (not yet shown, but in use by the constellation) to deliver traffic from Kyiv to Seattle:


Best,

Mike
On Aug 2, 2022, 17:17 +0200, Brennen Smith via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote:
> Compared to GEO Sat links, this is very reasonable latency and distance.
>
> Either GeoIP is wrong, or they’re starting to balance within the mesh for capacity. If you look very closely at the maritime announcement - they’re right on schedule for the latter.
>
> > On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 07:41 Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It is my guess over a path this (inaccurately selected? lasered?)
> > > long, the new speedtest doesn't saturate the link.
> > >
> > > https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1554404854763819008
> > >
> > > --
> > > FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/
> > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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Re: [Rpm] [Starlink] LUL 220ms flat over starlink

[Bjørn Ivar Teigen]

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Seems the GeoIP was wrong this time. Interesting to follow though! And also
interesting that the LUL is so close to the idle latency.

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- Bjørn Ivar


On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:26, Mike Puchol via Starlink <
starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> The status of ISL has improved considerably over the last two months. It
> is now totally feasible to use in-plane (shown in my simulation, blue
> lines) and cross-plane (not yet shown, but in use by the constellation) to
> deliver traffic from Kyiv to Seattle:
>
>
> Best,
>
> Mike
> On Aug 2, 2022, 17:17 +0200, Brennen Smith via Starlink <
> starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote:
>
> Compared to GEO Sat links, this is very reasonable latency and distance.
>
> Either GeoIP is wrong, or they’re starting to balance within the mesh for
> capacity. If you look very closely at the maritime announcement - they’re
> right on schedule for the latter.
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 07:41 Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It is my guess over a path this (inaccurately selected? lasered?)
>> long, the new speedtest doesn't saturate the link.
>>
>> https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1554404854763819008
>>
>> --
>> FQ World Domination pending:
>> https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/
>> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>>
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>
> Brennen Smith VP Technology
>
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Re: [Rpm] [Starlink] LUL 220ms flat over starlink

[Sebastian Moeller]

Hi All,

a decent reminder that GeoIP really is at best an imprecise heuristic, at worst actively misleading...

Always wondered whether one could not use some sort of triangulation to different endpoints of known location and use the relative RTT differences to restrict the cone of potential locations.... (that would require active probes from remote sites being reflected from the host to be localised, making it not a solution for GeoIP providers, but it might work for participating endpoints).

Regards
	Sebastian


> On Aug 3, 2022, at 10:42, Bjørn Ivar Teigen via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
> Seems the GeoIP was wrong this time. Interesting to follow though! And also interesting that the LUL is so close to the idle latency.
> 
> <image.png>
> 
> - Bjørn Ivar
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:26, Mike Puchol via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> The status of ISL has improved considerably over the last two months. It is now totally feasible to use in-plane (shown in my simulation, blue lines) and cross-plane (not yet shown, but in use by the constellation) to deliver traffic from Kyiv to Seattle:
> 
> <Attachment.png>
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mike
> On Aug 2, 2022, 17:17 +0200, Brennen Smith via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>, wrote:
>> Compared to GEO Sat links, this is very reasonable latency and distance.
>> 
>> Either GeoIP is wrong, or they’re starting to balance within the mesh for capacity. If you look very closely at the maritime announcement - they’re right on schedule for the latter. 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 07:41 Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is my guess over a path this (inaccurately selected? lasered?)
>> long, the new speedtest doesn't saturate the link.
>> 
>> https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1554404854763819008
>> 
>> --
>> FQ World Domination pending: https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/
>> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>> --
>> Brennen Smith VP Technology
>> 
>> (206) 739-0807 | brennen@ookla.com
>> linkedin.com/in/brennensmith
>> 
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