[Rpm] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[Rpm] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[James Forster]

Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen. 

These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)

If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android. 

Jim

[Rpm] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[Frantisek Borsik]

Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because of
our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter.
As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is
dead. Long live latency."
https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency

I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you all.

PS: Sending you separate email.

All the best,

Frank

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com>
wrote:

> Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen.
>
> These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the
> sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)
>
> If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and
> talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.
>
> Jim

[Rpm] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[dan]

I actually really like the title ;)

It's that most of the time people are told they need more bandwidth to
solve a problem, when they really need lower latency and jitter.  So the
vast majority of the time 'more bandwidth' as a solution really is a lie.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:47 PM Frantisek Borsik via LibreQoS <
libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because of
> our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter.
> As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is
> dead. Long live latency."
> https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency
>
> I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you
> all.
>
> PS: Sending you separate email.
>
> All the best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>
> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>
> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>
> Skype: casioa5302ca
>
> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen.
> >
> > These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the
> > sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)
> >
> > If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and
> > talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.
> >
> > Jim
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[Rpm] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[Frantisek Borsik]

Let's say that I love it, channeling my inner Dave Taht. But there were a
couple of voices asking if I won't consider to change it a bit, to be "less
hostile" to our "bandwidth is king!" friends...and I was trying, but this
was really sticky and I'm happy that it stayed this way.


All the best,

Frank

Frantisek (Frank) Borsik


*In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025

https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/


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On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 9:25 PM dan <dandenson@gmail.com> wrote:

> I actually really like the title ;)
>
> It's that most of the time people are told they need more bandwidth to
> solve a problem, when they really need lower latency and jitter.  So the
> vast majority of the time 'more bandwidth' as a solution really is a lie.
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:47 PM Frantisek Borsik via LibreQoS <
> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because
>> of
>> our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter.
>> As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is
>> dead. Long live latency."
>> https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency
>>
>> I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you
>> all.
>>
>> PS: Sending you separate email.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>
>>
>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>
>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>
>>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>
>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>
>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>
>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>>
>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen.
>> >
>> > These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the
>> > sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)
>> >
>> > If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and
>> > talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> LibreQoS mailing list -- libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> To unsubscribe send an email to libreqos-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>
>

[Rpm] Re: [LibreQoS] Re: [Starlink] Keynote: QoE/QoS - Bandwidth Is A Lie! at WISPAPALOOZA 2025 (October 16)

[Frantisek Borsik]

Hello to all,

Recording of our QoE/QoS panel discussion is out! It was really great and
believe you will like it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1VET0VYQ6c

We have touch bandwidth, L4S, Starlink and more.

Here are the slides with additional reading:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ML0I3Av3DCtQDiP8Djr_YGH2r4-UDZP25VEk-xyJcZE/edit?slide=id.p#slide=id.p

We hope to continue this conversation into more practical, demo-like
environment of sort, that we can see at IETF Hackathon and used to see in
the early WISPA event days, with Animal Farm.


All the best,

Frank

Frantisek (Frank) Borsik


*In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025

https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/


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iMessage, mobile: +420775230885

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On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 11:32 PM Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Let's say that I love it, channeling my inner Dave Taht. But there were a
> couple of voices asking if I won't consider to change it a bit, to be "less
> hostile" to our "bandwidth is king!" friends...and I was trying, but this
> was really sticky and I'm happy that it stayed this way.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>
>
> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>
> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>
> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>
> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>
> Skype: casioa5302ca
>
> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 9:25 PM dan <dandenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I actually really like the title ;)
>>
>> It's that most of the time people are told they need more bandwidth to
>> solve a problem, when they really need lower latency and jitter.  So the
>> vast majority of the time 'more bandwidth' as a solution really is a lie.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 2:47 PM Frantisek Borsik via LibreQoS <
>> libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Jim. Well, true that - but I wanted to do it either way, because
>>> of
>>> our dear Dave and - as a conversation starter.
>>> As @Jason Livingood <jason_livingood@comcast.com> said - "Bandwidth is
>>> dead. Long live latency."
>>>
>>> https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/bandwidth-is-dead-long-live-latency
>>>
>>> I will do my best to get the audio/video right and to share it with you
>>> all.
>>>
>>> PS: Sending you separate email.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
>>>
>>>
>>> *In loving memory of Dave Täht: *1965-2025
>>>
>>> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
>>>
>>> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714
>>>
>>> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
>>>
>>> Skype: casioa5302ca
>>>
>>> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2025 at 10:25 PM James Forster <jim@connectivitycap.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Wow, that’s fantastic, Frantisek!  Great work making this happen.
>>> >
>>> > These sort of titles aren’t my favorite. I think I understand the
>>> > sentiment but find the issues more nuanced than that. :-)
>>> >
>>> > If you can get clear audio, not much quality is needed for panels and
>>> > talking beads.   Best would be a feed right into an iPhone/android.
>>> >
>>> > Jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> LibreQoS mailing list -- libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>> To unsubscribe send an email to libreqos-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net
>>>
>>