Re: [Rpm] Vote: Closing the rpm list?

[Frantisek Borsik <frantisek.borsik@gmail.com>]

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Aye!

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 at 11:26 PM, Dave Taht via Rpm <
rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 2:17 PM Christoph Paasch <cpaasch@apple.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > > On Apr 14, 2023, at 2:02 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was not aware until this moment of the existence of the slack
> > > channel, poor me!
> >
> > No worries! I think we announced it a while back here on the list.
> >
> > > Anyway (all?), should I discontinue this mailing list, in preference
> > > for that? I have had had a tendency to cc rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net on
> > > more general measurement stuff, but perhaps ippm or slack would be a
> > > better home for it now? There are 53 users on this list, but so few
> > > postings besides the occasional cc from the bloat list.
> >
> > Yes, ok to close this mailing-list from my point-of-view.
>
> I will take a vote: Those here that want this list to continue, please
> say aye! Vote will close in 1 week.
>
> Or in what direction to move it? There are other measurement lists I
> am on also, such as ripe's and the marconi society... I have a long
> list of other (sadly unfunded, like wtbb) tools and benchmarks (like
> crusader), but what limited discussion of those we have, can largely
> all that can move to the bloat list.
>
> To clarify, discussion should be on ippm anyway?
>
> I see nearly no discussion from there. I too have found various chat
> channels vastly more productive than email, myself...
>
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:15 PM Christoph Paasch <cpaasch@apple.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Dave,
> > >>
> > >> On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Dave Taht via Rpm <
> rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I have not been paying a lot of attention here of late. I objected to
> > >> the enormous number of flows goresponsiveness was doing, and strongly
> > >> suggested it run to time of first loss or mark.
> > >>
> > >> I find 4 flows enough
> > >> to stress out a network.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 4 flows should often be enough to utilize a network at its full
> capacity. However, are 4 flows going to provide you stable working
> conditions in such a way that the bottleneck’s buffers are entirely full
> over an extended period without fluctuations due to the congestion-response
> of the individual flows? Also, what is the convergence time to reach stable
> working conditions and full buffer utilization at 4 flows?
> > >>
> > >> Now, that being said. I don’t think that the exact number of flows is
> that important. They just need to be enough to fill the buffers in a stable
> way. All nit-picking on the number of flows just distracts us from actually
> solving problems on the Internet.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, is the structure of networkQuality
> > >> changing any in ippm?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yes, the IETF-draft is continuously evolving. You can read the latest
> version at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness.
> > >>
> > >> Discussions around the methodology and the development of the tools
> as well as addressing issues we find in open-source networking stacks is
> all happening at the “Network-quality community”, at
> https://github.com/network-quality/community/wiki. We have a
> slack-channel and a weekly meeting. Everyone who is actively working on
> development is invited to join our slack-channel and attend the weekly
> meetings. (The "active development" is a strong requirement )
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Christoph
> > >>
> > >> Some context here:
> > >>
> > >>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/amazoneero/comments/12ksu9d/sqm_optimizing_for_videoconferencing_and_gaming/jg4zsq2/?context=8&depth=9
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> AMA March 31:
> https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht
> > >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AMA March 31:
> https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht
> > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
> >
>
>
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> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
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