Aye! On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 at 11:26 PM, Dave Taht via Rpm < rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 2:17 PM Christoph Paasch > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > On Apr 14, 2023, at 2:02 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > I was not aware until this moment of the existence of the slack > > > channel, poor me! > > > > No worries! I think we announced it a while back here on the list. > > > > > Anyway (all?), should I discontinue this mailing list, in preference > > > for that? I have had had a tendency to cc rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net on > > > more general measurement stuff, but perhaps ippm or slack would be a > > > better home for it now? There are 53 users on this list, but so few > > > postings besides the occasional cc from the bloat list. > > > > Yes, ok to close this mailing-list from my point-of-view. > > I will take a vote: Those here that want this list to continue, please > say aye! Vote will close in 1 week. > > Or in what direction to move it? There are other measurement lists I > am on also, such as ripe's and the marconi society... I have a long > list of other (sadly unfunded, like wtbb) tools and benchmarks (like > crusader), but what limited discussion of those we have, can largely > all that can move to the bloat list. > > To clarify, discussion should be on ippm anyway? > > I see nearly no discussion from there. I too have found various chat > channels vastly more productive than email, myself... > > > > > Christoph > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 1:15 PM Christoph Paasch > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello Dave, > > >> > > >> On Apr 13, 2023, at 3:13 PM, Dave Taht via Rpm < > rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> I have not been paying a lot of attention here of late. I objected to > > >> the enormous number of flows goresponsiveness was doing, and strongly > > >> suggested it run to time of first loss or mark. > > >> > > >> I find 4 flows enough > > >> to stress out a network. > > >> > > >> > > >> 4 flows should often be enough to utilize a network at its full > capacity. However, are 4 flows going to provide you stable working > conditions in such a way that the bottleneck’s buffers are entirely full > over an extended period without fluctuations due to the congestion-response > of the individual flows? Also, what is the convergence time to reach stable > working conditions and full buffer utilization at 4 flows? > > >> > > >> Now, that being said. I don’t think that the exact number of flows is > that important. They just need to be enough to fill the buffers in a stable > way. All nit-picking on the number of flows just distracts us from actually > solving problems on the Internet. > > >> > > >> Anyway, is the structure of networkQuality > > >> changing any in ippm? > > >> > > >> > > >> Yes, the IETF-draft is continuously evolving. You can read the latest > version at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness. > > >> > > >> Discussions around the methodology and the development of the tools > as well as addressing issues we find in open-source networking stacks is > all happening at the “Network-quality community”, at > https://github.com/network-quality/community/wiki. We have a > slack-channel and a weekly meeting. Everyone who is actively working on > development is invited to join our slack-channel and attend the weekly > meetings. (The "active development" is a strong requirement ) > > >> > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Christoph > > >> > > >> Some context here: > > >> > > >> > https://www.reddit.com/r/amazoneero/comments/12ksu9d/sqm_optimizing_for_videoconferencing_and_gaming/jg4zsq2/?context=8&depth=9 > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> AMA March 31: > https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht > > >> Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Rpm mailing list > > >> Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > > >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > AMA March 31: > https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht > > > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > > > > > -- > AMA March 31: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm > -- All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com