From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52b.google.com (mail-ed1-x52b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E57373CB4E for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2023 19:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52b.google.com with SMTP id h8so53291693ede.8 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2023 16:47:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=perens.com; s=google; t=1679356063; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NnH8W561KkErdvBXJQ0sPJvMmc6fotNC+38SG7iNwzE=; b=d0GRxk3IooyxbVLDN/Iq2EC44NzKfdjELfA7+iI3G59gYaQ7GjlHqyodZSOrCVo1wn dhQg6rsqtSeMnXgQ2G/HPojhjKJ1FG/b60XmfdmT6BFwUMH94iNX8yVJ5txzhKoqIIFs bztiZxTWZCZGiNS+NfHRV9r9AIahttDnOxdNs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679356063; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=NnH8W561KkErdvBXJQ0sPJvMmc6fotNC+38SG7iNwzE=; b=upxxcTh1uw1+j+084BQkHdIC7oySvR7O3Czof7hnvIZu+TwtkH/HlzLhG67+fi2y5n rnocw0eJaXdtlG7EGo4MS4TRfS4ixq9iuLKTPrXmFygnc9OHMY0RhnlQCU+LOT5ZrESo yfM99WR6YrrhZC2mc+KglRbfQsV767O/ngHkhhEoh6NAeFEIsSiMoSfFkm7aU2sTvOk3 BWWi/UEBXtEAbbaJqYtNzuKRROaSw2m3GNcTbsJsv/lWIU9HLOovGWtDXvorut5yKY7F /eac8Wze2JFwa6rZU0yvAyDU2CMVezk/LAAamjosk2M2nt1dVFtJa/zYhGNBRUPuGF/+ L/zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUHi5e3eq39jmJ/amfL5t0q4lEqZqkopYTv7snblfSUSrlhGlgl qz2BdzMSXx8E6biSIDuD6fdRbxI+47gNgEAbVrS7NA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+oqCSlNNFPWT6WAk6NR279YnWD8tccC6E7x1VRSzwM2s4qgtE1hhF0sT3Fqedqi2tD5Wx4nulU/8vYG143dVY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:6413:b0:924:32b2:e3d1 with SMTP id d19-20020a170906641300b0092432b2e3d1mr436981ejm.3.1679356063509; Mon, 20 Mar 2023 16:47:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1672786712.106922180@apps.rackspace.com> <77CCAD19-07E0-4F9E-88C1-D207CF7BF376@cable.comcast.com> <83ffc0dad19e3343e49271889369cefc@rjmcmahon.com> <3CD0B9E6-0B2A-4A70-8F53-ED0822DF77A6@gmx.de> <13DE6E53-665F-4C20-BBE2-70E685421E9D@gmx.de> <22C819FA-DDD7-4B9B-8C09-8008D4273287@gmx.de> <5e7fac51071bdbb20837e72e7eedfc7c@rjmcmahon.com> <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> <70F71290-C6CB-4D19-8A88-F0F17C0BDDA2@gmx.de> <5e0cd693c4749d128dbb48d6c1129071@rjmcmahon.com> <2ab2983d-6beb-49cb-8c35-e481cbfdc7a3@Spark> <8F56CCA3-61C4-475F-975D-99D851C6A7CF@gmx.de> <1d6c10c9a692bb3f2869fb1b40fa449a@rjmcmahon.com> <005d1e7e3e1d19bce308436e46a3ec5e@rjmcmahon.com> <569691b3e7dfc57bbf98c4fc168fc6cf@rjmcmahon.com> <2885829.1679221616@dyas> <2ce5ab82f29756bd1bc22cde9eb8fc69@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: <2ce5ab82f29756bd1bc22cde9eb8fc69@rjmcmahon.com> From: Bruce Perens Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 16:47:32 -0700 Message-ID: To: rjmcmahon Cc: Frantisek Borsik , Dave Taht via Starlink , dan , Michael Richardson , libreqos , Rpm , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009e034505f75d8d9a" Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Starlink] On FiWi power envelope X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2023 23:47:45 -0000 --0000000000009e034505f75d8d9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's time to break this discussion off into its own list, isn't it? On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 3:03=E2=80=AFPM rjmcmahon via Starlink < starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > If I'm reading things correctly, the per fire alarm power rating is 120V > at 80 mA or 9.6 W. The per power FiWi transceiver estimate is 2 Watts > per spatial stream at 160MhZ and 1 Watt for the fiber. Looks like a > retrofit of a fire alarm system would have sufficient power for FiWi > radio heads. Then it's punching a few holes, run fiber, splice, patch & > paint which is very straightforward work for the trades. Rich people as > early adopters could show off their infinitely capable in-home network. > Installers could do a two-for deal, buy one and I'll install another in > a less fortunate community. > https://www.thespruce.com/install-hardwired-smoke-detectors-1152329 > > Sharktank passed on the Ring deal - imagine having a real, life-support > capable, & future-proof network vs just a silly doorbell w/camera. > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > --=20 Bruce Perens K6BP --0000000000009e034505f75d8d9a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's time to break this discussion off into its own li= st, isn't it?

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 3:03=E2=80=AFPM rjmcmahon via Star= link <starlink@lists.b= ufferbloat.net> wrote:
If I'm reading things correctly, the per fire alarm power= rating is 120V
at 80 mA or 9.6 W. The per power FiWi transceiver estimate is 2 Watts
per spatial stream at 160MhZ and 1 Watt for the fiber. Looks like a
retrofit of a fire alarm system would have sufficient power for FiWi
radio heads. Then it's punching a few holes, run fiber, splice, patch &= amp;
paint which is very straightforward work for the trades. Rich people as early adopters could show off their infinitely capable in-home network. Installers could do a two-for deal, buy one and I'll install another in=
a less fortunate community.
https://www.thespruce.com/install= -hardwired-smoke-detectors-1152329

Sharktank passed on the Ring deal - imagine having a real, life-support capable, & future-proof network vs just a silly doorbell w/camera.

Bob
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