From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x52c.google.com (mail-ed1-x52c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F8243CB37 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 01:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id r11so19258173edd.5 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 22:20:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=perens.com; s=google; t=1678857658; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fZmvqnR3YkaYpO+aius8pdUdsyLaTkjTEOwaZD1dk6A=; b=vPzMPB/IxxmiQk6t92L3JZeaOyWA40yC3yTvwIgd58eSbQkMK0lQ0CWCFBgVr1jhqX R/y4g6krFA8XlA42vThgr2YyFAA90z/Ppqd9fosyMBLwxxPolOJksQm9+vQFkJ0guCoG FM3P+QrWGdiqzkH9B4r6kdamUn4QsJGFMMotQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678857658; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=fZmvqnR3YkaYpO+aius8pdUdsyLaTkjTEOwaZD1dk6A=; b=HwqzQqGxDUcCSh5tI7QlEG+HhDxxcXrdIJZlpwLALmyl7sZWbLnxlGf1Z+F2ChukUm ngFwOsFKKBMHJKReYO35s5jq+dwPYvKn+LzSN3RMlHWTFhXWo9GhjJBb7JptBG8uq5t6 FF4yKx8rHvTzth3u/WEDp6tQ4L4vJVTVDTqu89TF9haoNNFngTvUGK7rlK9+W+pE0PHG 9jwLBhWkRKuX+jgsDsxefwpxGKY+1noN078AGS/b4g8MR3ZgTZ/bhboYYm4kl9htj+7Z KdQgC5lZk5m8lq5IqofZckH+lyHiPVyCGgNZiTBF7X/Uf1F54U7tODzvKzp61f1f66Kr ftfw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXwb8mFq3kh4jGsymCAFe6vzV+RwtSo/HLIS1jN7W0EW6qdSNZj Dwsa02kvjTGRFeVNFzW0BuQpffOXi3afDyyXW/AQiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/K+jq2cHDsQRrVYsHqqso+KSnXVEzB7aCLdeD7YV8m/Z5tgAMSgHjtk7c/f5BN2W9yrch207oFTBVZa+jfk7A= X-Received: by 2002:a50:a445:0:b0:4fb:f19:881 with SMTP id v5-20020a50a445000000b004fb0f190881mr295093edb.3.1678857657930; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 22:20:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <22C819FA-DDD7-4B9B-8C09-8008D4273287@gmx.de> <5e7fac51071bdbb20837e72e7eedfc7c@rjmcmahon.com> <3f45d2a0b6e46d7b2775fb801e805f93@rjmcmahon.com> <70F71290-C6CB-4D19-8A88-F0F17C0BDDA2@gmx.de> <5e0cd693c4749d128dbb48d6c1129071@rjmcmahon.com> <2ab2983d-6beb-49cb-8c35-e481cbfdc7a3@Spark> <89c55d67-86f0-494d-a09e-c9aeebe46dc0@rjmcmahon.com> <70CBB03C-4394-4A93-BBB5-7449DC1AAF9C@gmx.de> <063359bf-5bf3-4688-852c-a7d81e6b80a3@rjmcmahon.com> <21f2252ff57e60dc52e7b9a6db8ba936@rjmcmahon.com> <8a04de1c-2d47-4226-a1ac-ea3d5e7b7253@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: <8a04de1c-2d47-4226-a1ac-ea3d5e7b7253@rjmcmahon.com> From: Bruce Perens Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 22:20:46 -0700 Message-ID: To: Robert McMahon Cc: dan , libreqos , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000546f2905f6e982c5" Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Bloat] On FiWi X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 05:20:59 -0000 --000000000000546f2905f6e982c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Robert McMahon wrote: > the AP needs to blast a CTS so every other possible conversation has to > halt. > The wireless network is not a bus. This still ignores the hidden transmitter problem because there is a similar network in the next room. --000000000000546f2905f6e982c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 5:11=E2=80=AF= PM Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@= rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
the AP needs to blast= a CTS so every other possible conversation has to halt.
The wireless network is not a bus. This still ignores the hidden= transmitter problem because=C2=A0there is a similar network in the next ro= om.

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