From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pf1-x42f.google.com (mail-pf1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2C863CB6C for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2023 20:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id g7so3479963pfu.2 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:07:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nathan.io; s=google; t=1679789245; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Yq6EU8jXqf8JfI2jSgMiqspaBsBlSoXL2uJcgi4veDA=; b=tnBwPDcUnrDKRy9FgYtB+9AhE0RGiQzNNGDsVg/HS6f7yih189Ir718UcSEbOFhklv 1tyz0q8dk5Yu3eL73Yva3hNdDgH5W9X8VL74V1cez8jsZCrp1OVr9kDzWbKBUBZpq9sl DcGWOjAXImbzrrw7TUW2KK261nK/uX6vHcIMllbRYV930rBLlPNly0Cuh0tj6TSW3o2P 05mznK7MQ0mCeoNCa2DGvWhl6d1rCBMMvg+9ok7sFinB2ksWk3IPEOEl4zH23v6bHnme JVnjfH3AgIlXrEeQZyKF84WcA8YuJP/3Tisx2K2IPq7uqXOZJ+PbJZbFSChUmRGz/nPy OLuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679789245; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Yq6EU8jXqf8JfI2jSgMiqspaBsBlSoXL2uJcgi4veDA=; b=SNW4pzGz8BeWHMU3SDlJQeGKk+12Ls5tfYBqWM6a0o4uOOSFClGJITvpP5szAlRaTY +CSnFuE0j6zjKYm1pIuMn01/OLtOAFGI763wZUH2y2tolTox+EEi7eUcfJEVxNy062kA wCHhgrWa8G29FuyEyYIJR5QMtZp25itxBuofshqkaqjTQLSfGo3TSoI+X4Yr91s1B+nV Ws00pkmr4zfTBUgayLgUoe9InGaTCWoXRxnzjAO7O59XtDMzHkQtZ0dLAbSmNe3M/9KC c0iT0b5eRAfrdyf+mMYvy0f6mR/Qk9+4RhljHRfWKEaoWqGLfGMy9VqG0a+DYrfMrw21 qTXw== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cpIIMBRSGmq6fEGBLd6WZvHXsuRyjRIJiw0SCrlPuAfADFDDMf COPo45UT5kEStNIxf6MdwAmvNE1lWa9N4z0nu9XSWQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350Yh8LeAahfgKUT1y6GiB0GN/Bp8jXqdiMB/Ae+7jYlEJs4MMXgcQxWie8CX77GwGwSU9sKu+MC4kZZDFF7PTQY= X-Received: by 2002:a63:d307:0:b0:50b:dda2:6140 with SMTP id b7-20020a63d307000000b0050bdda26140mr1906865pgg.11.1679789244509; Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:07:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1d6c10c9a692bb3f2869fb1b40fa449a@rjmcmahon.com> <2885829.1679221616@dyas> <20230321001019.GA4531@sunf68.rd.bbc.co.uk> <4295238B-FA57-49B6-B57B-78FFB2603B90@gmx.de> <8301258b8fffa18bd14279bff043dd03@rjmcmahon.com> <43bcbc338aecb44a1bef49489ab6f9c8@rjmcmahon.com> <60e70b637df76234639780ab08f25d82@rjmcmahon.com> <9edd011a1a6615470b34e0837896a15f@rjmcmahon.com> <0551d5fe-e1be-48c8-be36-c4800a12e5de@rjmcmahon.com> <8f7d92bd-3b35-4726-b733-978b322713ad@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: <8f7d92bd-3b35-4726-b733-978b322713ad@rjmcmahon.com> From: Nathan Owens Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2023 17:07:13 -0700 Message-ID: To: Robert McMahon Cc: David Lang , Dave Taht via Starlink , dan , Frantisek Borsik , Bruce Perens , libreqos , Rpm , bloat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003799ec05f7c269a2" Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2023 00:07:25 -0000 --0000000000003799ec05f7c269a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comcast's 6Gbps service is a niche product with probably <1000 customers. It requires knowledge and persistence from the customer to actually get it installed, a process that can take many months (It's basically MetroE). It requires you to be within 1760ft of available fiber, with some limit on install cost if trenching is required. In some cases, you may be able to trench yourself, or cover some of the costs (usually thousands to tens of thousands). On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 5:04=E2=80=AFPM Robert McMahon via Bloat < bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > The primary cost is the optics. That's why they're p in sfp and pay go > > Bob > On Mar 25, 2023, at 4:35 PM, David Lang wrote: >> >> On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, Robert McMahon via Bloat wrote: >> >> The fiber has basically infinite capacity. >>> >> >> in theory, but once you start aggregating it and having to pay for equip= ment >> that can handle the rates, your 'infinite capaicty' starts to run out re= ally >> fast. >> >> David Lang >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >> >> _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --0000000000003799ec05f7c269a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Comcast's 6Gbps service is a niche product with probab= ly <1000 customers. It requires knowledge and persistence from the custo= mer to actually get it installed, a process that can take many months (It&#= 39;s basically MetroE). It requires you to be within 1760ft of available fi= ber, with some limit on install cost if trenching is required. In some case= s, you may be able to trench yourself, or cover some of the costs (usually = thousands to tens of thousands).

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 5:04=E2=80=AFP= M Robert McMahon via Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
The primary cost is th= e optics. That's why they're p in sfp and pay go

Bob
On Mar 25, 2023, at 4:35 PM, David Lang <david@lang.hm> wrote:= 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2023, Robert McMahon via Bloat wrote:

 The fiber has basically infinite c=
apacity.

in theory, but once you start aggregating it a= nd having to pay for equipment
that can handle the rates, your 'inf= inite capaicty' starts to run out really
fast.

David Lang

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