From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qv1-xf30.google.com (mail-qv1-xf30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76B383B2A4; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 09:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf30.google.com with SMTP id i12so8986346qvs.2; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 06:57:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OHOTprnXylxQKy+tSkTP/nU3Tgrp5u6iCIgf8ZUvfAk=; b=Y+gOgQXAjhVSvFEZ2FQ2Z27zMGEW7ucDjbPxnqN4ixMeab7cDjSTJlGGqR3royEqJd Hp5tFx/fAYSH3qiEbIvUeiuSCPi1VE3GJxfDJXHMdpDKgP0wSwzM3PE3Qi2l0w7FI3Tg X5SX2KYiIeag9OQfE2UwMJn5DF0cyAdyNM8g8ZCynHPAjZWXjNaj1zLN6y7lM9DExVjL KhR4V1NPDyDgN8RMfzwbD0ZTlvuFALbsxvYcRYKdKmxi9T4LgJG0AyuSNl28BY6aS+Bt CrCSeSQmAuznrqxtgWGF716098IWAgp3SQru7cCG7WO9426Wu20HyI4tI4bfVkvf++g5 mvEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=references:to:cc:in-reply-to:date:subject:mime-version:message-id :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OHOTprnXylxQKy+tSkTP/nU3Tgrp5u6iCIgf8ZUvfAk=; b=UymjILqkYLmRdDJi8PzEt6xzae3entPpTP3B4RbCOwHRgyAx7ZCVpx1u799iamEmTl 1q/784NGDACORKi8Zjj4CHE3ORIR3A4vittNhiO4qwEjZGXWn5FJJDUk3KIkxeIrP3Lm Gp6o1THqrvn3PDhCAMUTUIr2dscNaGXRrSsN1CC3KCnTOF8yY6Jrsx4FckVeM3UU+UEs awcoBq+e+AalMJZqUZScOUG44I+c+kImSRbYvuL6aXRw9dR8EwVKLCXAgQYHZfpjPsSw pTOfQtBmoC2cpRNkJetjHfB3xIQJ9UrV/YPoCao7nOiNJcDJbsdEm3CAUh99sPHg7m/R KNeA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0WdOWlodpVh9wYrQQ+Q80kqFsULS21AMMs5NbfSQefEQCH5wjX tmPoRgltu9NmoQ9+ef4dmVU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4j7v673wyRXsjfYzYjZZ3GEgAoG7mQKazcesY5DJuWUvNpQ7txquWrFnxHKhICExPya4ZE0Q== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:a711:0:b0:4b1:8816:4168 with SMTP id u17-20020a0ca711000000b004b188164168mr18626878qva.46.1665496660803; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 06:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.253.116] ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 1-20020ac85741000000b003998bb7b83asm5684892qtx.90.2022.10.11.06.57.39 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Oct 2022 06:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6C8B5947-C335-4550-BF61-C04404B5DD6A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 09:57:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: David Lang , Cake List , Make-Wifi-fast , Rpm , bloat To: Bob McMahon References: <72674884-9E0D-4645-B5F5-C593CC45A8F0@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 13:57:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6C8B5947-C335-4550-BF61-C04404B5DD6A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > On Oct 10, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Bob McMahon via Rpm = wrote: >=20 > > I think conflating bufferbloat with latency misses the subtle point = in that > > bufferbloat is a measurement in memory units more than a measurement = in > > time units. Yes, but... I am going to praise this video, even as I encourage all the = techies to be sure that they have the units correct. I've been yammering about the evils of latency/excess queueing for 10 = years on my blog, in forums, etc. I have not achieved anywhere near the = notoriety of this video (almost a third of a million views). I am delighted that there's an engaging, mass-market Youtube video that = makes the case that bufferbloat even exists.=20 Rich= --Apple-Mail=_6C8B5947-C335-4550-BF61-C04404B5DD6A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Oct 10, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Bob McMahon via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> I think conflating = bufferbloat with latency misses the subtle point in that
> bufferbloat is a = measurement in memory units more than a measurement in
> time = units.

Yes, = but... I am going to praise this video, even as I encourage all the = techies to be sure that they have the units correct.

I've been yammering = about the evils of latency/excess queueing for 10 years on my blog, in = forums, etc. I have not achieved anywhere near the notoriety of this = video (almost a third of a million views).

I am delighted that there's an = engaging, mass-market Youtube video that makes the case that bufferbloat = even exists. 

Rich
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