From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 514933B29D; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 02:35:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1665470154; bh=Y03uEEoxz7SFJcBHOeqHBsUPyICZ2GEUzd0muPlquAI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Plt1US2gv5iH7THB/JDe90yFqCgaSrz1yMm/l9wt6XFMUcu5mJmW3X5Xha0kfyzJQ H5eC7V04B3tuqFl5BTbtPc5npfN8pfRJrx9MUAGdVJv3p9jnXqvzgS1znbybRxUV8Y nd2Zkjdb5zZZUR0WXxR5Wb5HHWeLuT+iLpkfNyYo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([80.187.111.72]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MAONX-1otRPV2Qqx-00BpPr; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 08:35:54 +0200 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 08:35:52 +0200 From: Sebastian Moeller To: Taraldsen Erik CC: Rpm , Make-Wifi-fast , Cake List , bloat User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <100AC711-2C3E-4FE4-A1A3-65BC759B9530@telenor.no> References: <72674884-9E0D-4645-B5F5-C593CC45A8F0@gmx.de> <8FD1A16D-F886-4504-A089-62CD3A8D2CF2@telenor.no> <2601A81B-4E21-454C-9959-EDD725547E9E@gmx.de> <100AC711-2C3E-4FE4-A1A3-65BC759B9530@telenor.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+7l9VsZwUOYDCI4Wu2uHe3MInaa7DenssqAPxLbrmS7mIrzVIp7 TsKoMzVhqxBPke3ZVck1wPzORidh10HwWkQHjauW+/gwiNnSt7HssU3CX57aUmkc83/BGbY mU+pTKV3ETyYWNa3ReARdyiXthf0qCc/Kg6ZhvUHEZZFRgbRSwaFSwxOmadjT1Vnt79KwDb +P7o6GvtbCFekZQjmNHfQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:IxB27b2cM2U=:lbnfhGEqzLbiVCIUd8N7hN /A799DBjaU9EANjVyes6CmXRmbCczNpni8Rj4D4NCkHDA7a7it3q/4pq0a9g/5pdOvrpP6JzH /h2/KqJUTKdzbLx48JQVnD+AJvC8+Fsl4GCceaJfygCkVlnKRd23P96BpTOSEDP13BLbtlUDa csZ0wdctvjbXWFnPeB11Em9m9QJsw4KypvlYm74wkeqajjBn6jOPXvVGTMPql95f381MfewrN lil2jncv0ERTg88SJdUTOxwCsM/I3kCZk178mokCteCfLtvru0T++MPnZV0BUmL8Ek8jxOelc h6tpIEyPbFgLPxYO7wz7DKMz3oj4/1X5irrfbCzeEqvxtJMaAK/iY6oaLAT2yvlpnIfnWWtWM ofQzwQ9Mnj1I7y4ptRoRAmEkYjiynQaVFKY4g4VyrbKbeRl1gDO8ZGp3ukWu4DNHN7H32W8LC Up5mVlRZ57bGTriioJKrK+Tj3K+v997fcN1cPM9uAaQ0XFA65ml2ty7KPRN/uAOFurcb66INi /K3OrnQhynlIqAHu5rlgO4kWmgcOrlYe+2svo9XK2nw3NTxTQqpgSgqxOQwDFzvqgRtZPGQiy 55zl/6dLZkHWj1gwH0UOuoPT7bsYPcmf0r5cOnYpZChrnaEjxMwx6zGgbsOYm/TWFJKjUR2HQ nGyh/c+gGqSv7wUqUY1bDyg10PVNOBLfYvpp1jDOEZEpEcwLxW1TXEFeo8K8MlGD4QI0LL4oO hugIxG7BtwrHulyw/tyFLwi6Az027jPPkGb9cf1i/ks6/uICtvGcBw1ddTxYiy7hYZnnu9/DI RSNcXfuiIjycZsGNxEToNKr0HqWQ+xZ6l+VWRp8fc4GttfE53qsfSsZCS2mVZ/KDludfPDivk GMsl0HuUMnIuo35uh1XcgAqi6kq1nGEEdpumjGdM2til9XWxM0QzX8nEEwiPMmnCtxDfRYjJD R/aLLOFw4cPpT/URmoeHqaTZZeHmf6uAucYu0emeykh7Ntb6Jwukg64LUANVAp43MCnUuluPv iK9iXwqkVFbvfTwr+CLDebAqU/TE9izGH2SD+7x/BGLF8EMS1aMjr7xgl+he9u2GkVBH0SBXR UgUlkR0nY2cLJrX96WOIJOsHzfHHz3vE5HQbtOZTmsq+ZIxdjdqI32N836xocbzKqCBWmvL7N /uTurZ48ZUwByWRQefpEJUV6MXMJqcvdO/n6gQWQfMqYohdlIhntZxuiI2IEuPSDqnDIfJl69 mbY6Lro17/xQjueqWhFmKbdtThcCARScubVvkFHmx6In0ZyPKym5YSE6Wni2EB+uZYsiycbQS A8I45NPZcvGnNljW7hDcj+VCYq803aZUoR8e9xxMeNXqUluhJXGV0maez9aSNUs0LotMjw/D1 TmUSz1AVMY5+T73OXDFDfuAEqZAnAQvOG0nKAZlQPR+ktGqdUOvOxHCQUCj/zBmnkwUQagS2e MR75seeeYH8nOK0EP5FqsvUHWlwp3oT2N08XHYUyhXj3g9xvpknV8s1JV0SiAoOpa3axEA1sU dNSdAYtEWV/ipDx0LU48jNQc2NrgbY07jgKDS7ZB+xUyT Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Cake] [Bloat] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 06:35:56 -0000 Hi Erik, On 11 October 2022 08:08:14 CEST, Taraldsen Erik wrote: > > >=EF=BB=BFOn 10/10/2022, 22:23, "Cake on behalf of Sebastian Moeller via C= ake" wrote: > > > [SM] Tricky=2E=2E=2E e=2Eg=2E vectoring enabled CPE can be instructe= d by the DSLAM to send error samples in-band with the data, but that traffi= c is never seen by our shapers, so to account for that we need to set a fra= ction that allows for that (more or less) periodic traffic=2E I guess one c= an reach a point of "goog enough" even when ignoring such eventualities, es= pecially if having to convince through-put hot-rodders=2E Always interestin= g to hear experience from the real world, thanks! > >In my bussiness we can't let perfect be the enemy of good=2E If we were t= o wait for the perfect firmware, nobody would have internet access at all= =2E Our team moto is "suck less"=2E Meaning we know there are issues with= all products we take to market=2E And to get to market at all we unfortuna= tely need to accept some suckiness in one domain or another=2E So when we = follow up the vendors each new firmware has to suck less=2E=20 [SM] Great I like the focus on improvement! I wish my ISP were similarly e= nlightend=2E Regards Sebastian > >-Erik > --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E