From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp14.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp14.rno.apple.com [17.179.253.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E7EB3B29D; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pps.filterd (rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp14.rno.apple.com [127.0.0.1]) by rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp14.rno.apple.com (8.16.1.2/8.16.1.2) with SMTP id 19JKCNAX020827; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:31:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apple.com; h=from : message-id : content-type : mime-version : subject : date : in-reply-to : cc : to : references; s=20180706; bh=ED2yewfypKp5LDiNgjEYp1K871WbS7n9VD8+2VTUBdE=; b=I1+tMsIpRgT0GDBGYlOLMqc+onTNTfdkgzbhAbNsOS3nH90jGH1p0zlm7ddWhnW2HHj3 63SrGgZLXyEHXJZdrrxNvv5v3x5M/tQI8PfXWHBoh/NsuXbiit+xeYgWjUnhS+hKVwks JvYLI3qyREAnmQKZk44icqzmzn/k9A66rLH/i++FRV5r1p/1uam37VSpxOzl+kPz/DEA i3UYFsvQBG6aNRL+se/My7es74BHf2EEg7TsB1XRN/2NHcvevbJr3YHdTYKt78i3269A iegQHAxxdwuZNLNS+WTmbcsvSrOvEd9L3jDdZddqZAoJdz1TtkFJOFv91m/XZlQC4Pdu XA== Received: from rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp02.rno.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp02.rno.apple.com [10.225.203.150]) by rn-mailsvcp-ppex-lapp14.rno.apple.com with ESMTP id 3bqumasm0s-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:31:12 -0700 Received: from rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com [17.179.253.15]) by rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp02.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.12.20210903 64bit (built Sep 3 2021)) with ESMTPS id <0R1800VTARO0D4C0@rn-mailsvcp-mta-lapp02.rno.apple.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from process_milters-daemon.rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com by rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.12.20210903 64bit (built Sep 3 2021)) id <0R1800R00RDDU200@rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Va-A: X-Va-T-CD: 7ac2f31934d035eb9d4b618032b48d7d X-Va-E-CD: b95922beb295c22c27c46822790ec9e3 X-Va-R-CD: 614fa926c7d84ab93d2c9db36e4cdde5 X-Va-CD: 0 X-Va-ID: 38acd236-1f19-4a6a-9338-31dff1b81b94 X-V-A: X-V-T-CD: 7ac2f31934d035eb9d4b618032b48d7d X-V-E-CD: b95922beb295c22c27c46822790ec9e3 X-V-R-CD: 614fa926c7d84ab93d2c9db36e4cdde5 X-V-CD: 0 X-V-ID: 2611b5ee-04e0-42b7-b6ed-8fdc8b574afb X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.425, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-10-19_02:2021-10-18, 2021-10-19 signatures=0 Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [17.192.171.250]) by rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.1.0.12.20210903 64bit (built Sep 3 2021)) with ESMTPSA id <0R1800Z66RNZUW00@rn-mailsvcp-mmp-lapp02.rno.apple.com>; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Omer Shapira Message-id: Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F2E05C24-61A5-4F47-8F01-66377D10721D" MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.2\)) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:31:11 -0700 In-reply-to: Cc: Keith Winstein , Dave Taht , Rpm , Make-Wifi-fast To: Matt Mathis References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.2) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.425, 18.0.790 definitions=2021-10-19_02:2021-10-18, 2021-10-19 signatures=0 Subject: Re: [Rpm] tack - reducing acks on wlans X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 20:31:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F2E05C24-61A5-4F47-8F01-66377D10721D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Matt, Keith, Dave I happen to be one of the "QUIC people." I=E2=80=99ll take a look and = see what we can do about it. Shameless plug: my team, which builds the transport protocols at Apple = for the entire range of the OSes is hiring.=20 Omer > On Oct 19, 2021, at 1:25 PM, Matt Mathis via Rpm = wrote: >=20 > Yes, a very cool paper! >=20 > Consider approaching the QUIC people, in principle they have more = agility to make protocol changes. >=20 > Thanks, > --MM-- > Evil is defined by mortals who think they know "The Truth" and use = force to apply it to others.=20 > ------------------------------------------- > Matt Mathis (Email is best) > Home & mobile: 412-654-7529 please leave a message if you must call. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 1:12 PM Dave Taht via Rpm = > wrote: > Somehow I'd missed this paper... thx for the steer, keith. >=20 > https://cs.stanford.edu/~keithw/tack-sigcomm2020.pdf = >=20 > --=20 > Fixing Starlink's Latencies: = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dc9gLo6Xrwgw = >=20 > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm = > _______________________________________________ > Rpm mailing list > Rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/rpm --Apple-Mail=_F2E05C24-61A5-4F47-8F01-66377D10721D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Matt, Keith, Dave

I = happen to be one of the "QUIC people." I=E2=80=99ll take a look and see = what we can do about it.

Shameless plug: my team, which builds the transport protocols = at Apple for the entire range of the OSes is hiring. 

Omer

On Oct 19, 2021, at 1:25 PM, Matt Mathis via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

Yes, a very cool paper!

Consider approaching the QUIC people, = in principle they have more agility to make protocol = changes.

Thanks,
--MM--
Evil is = defined by mortals who think they know "The Truth" and use force to = apply it to others. 
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Matt Mathis  (Email is best)
Home & mobile: = 412-654-7529 please leave a message if you must = call.



On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 1:12 PM Dave = Taht via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Somehow I'd missed this paper... thx = for the steer, keith.

https://cs.stanford.edu/~keithw/tack-sigcomm2020.pdf

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