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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Paasch <cpaasch@apple.com>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>, Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Rpm] Alternate definitions of "working condition" -	unnecessary?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 13:29:47 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ED92F855-167E-4A1B-9786-12240CC9EEDA@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YV47N6Aly0D5YwOn@MacBook-Pro-2.local>

> On 7 Oct, 2021, at 3:11 am, Christoph Paasch <cpaasch@apple.com> wrote:
> 
>>> On 7 Oct, 2021, at 12:22 am, Dave Taht via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>> There are additional cases where, perhaps, the fq component works, and the aqm doesn't.
>> 
>> Such as Apple's version of FQ-Codel?  The source code is public, so we might as well talk about it.
> 
> Let's not just talk about it, but actually read it ;-)
> 
>> There are two deviations I know about in the AQM portion of that.  First is that they do the marking and/or dropping at the tail of the queue, not the head.  Second is that the marking/dropping frequency is fixed, instead of increasing during a continuous period of congestion as real Codel does.
> 
> We don't drop/mark locally generated traffic (which is the use-case we care abhout).
> We signal flow-control straight back to the TCP-stack at which point the queue
> is entirely drained before TCP starts transmitting again.
> 
> So, drop-frequency really doesn't matter because there is no drop.

Hmm, that would be more reasonable behaviour for a machine that never has to forward anything - but that is not at all obvious from the source code I found.  I think I'll need to run tests to see what actually happens in practice.

 - Jonathan Morton

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-07 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-06 19:11 Rich Brown
2021-10-06 20:36 ` Jonathan Foulkes
2021-10-07 16:40   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-07 18:49     ` Dave Taht
2021-10-08 17:51       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-07 21:39   ` Rich Brown
2021-10-06 21:22 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-06 23:18   ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-07  0:11     ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-07 10:29       ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2021-10-07 15:44         ` [Rpm] apple's fq_"codel" implementation Dave Taht
2021-10-07 10:30       ` [Rpm] Alternate definitions of "working condition" - unnecessary? Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-08  0:33         ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-08 23:32         ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-11  7:31           ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-11  9:01             ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-11 10:03               ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-11 17:34             ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-12 10:23               ` Sebastian Moeller

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