From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Paasch <cpaasch@apple.com>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>, Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Rpm] Alternate definitions of "working condition" - unnecessary?
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 13:29:47 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ED92F855-167E-4A1B-9786-12240CC9EEDA@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YV47N6Aly0D5YwOn@MacBook-Pro-2.local>
> On 7 Oct, 2021, at 3:11 am, Christoph Paasch <cpaasch@apple.com> wrote:
>
>>> On 7 Oct, 2021, at 12:22 am, Dave Taht via Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>>> There are additional cases where, perhaps, the fq component works, and the aqm doesn't.
>>
>> Such as Apple's version of FQ-Codel? The source code is public, so we might as well talk about it.
>
> Let's not just talk about it, but actually read it ;-)
>
>> There are two deviations I know about in the AQM portion of that. First is that they do the marking and/or dropping at the tail of the queue, not the head. Second is that the marking/dropping frequency is fixed, instead of increasing during a continuous period of congestion as real Codel does.
>
> We don't drop/mark locally generated traffic (which is the use-case we care abhout).
> We signal flow-control straight back to the TCP-stack at which point the queue
> is entirely drained before TCP starts transmitting again.
>
> So, drop-frequency really doesn't matter because there is no drop.
Hmm, that would be more reasonable behaviour for a machine that never has to forward anything - but that is not at all obvious from the source code I found. I think I'll need to run tests to see what actually happens in practice.
- Jonathan Morton
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-07 10:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-06 19:11 Rich Brown
2021-10-06 20:36 ` Jonathan Foulkes
2021-10-07 16:40 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-07 18:49 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-08 17:51 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-07 21:39 ` Rich Brown
2021-10-06 21:22 ` Dave Taht
2021-10-06 23:18 ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-07 0:11 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-07 10:29 ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2021-10-07 15:44 ` [Rpm] apple's fq_"codel" implementation Dave Taht
2021-10-07 10:30 ` [Rpm] Alternate definitions of "working condition" - unnecessary? Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-08 0:33 ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-08 23:32 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-11 7:31 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-11 9:01 ` Jonathan Morton
2021-10-11 10:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-11 17:34 ` Christoph Paasch
2021-10-12 10:23 ` Sebastian Moeller
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