From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78C713B2A4; Wed, 3 Aug 2022 05:48:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1659520080; bh=ghDTdNqB2VRMmuwMhbarA0AzQea3N4lkdFrF2DbDCBo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=j3INPpc/qwFbBdFwsEFVhNbgXIc/VxZiqC/V8Svwj8DJ2BH+qnIFR8SazMR7hchcj jIBvY/dwNWychbaISeUyoPPo6KiLCyVBsYOOYNC2muUTJvM5wzF2S2eukiFEOGd+fA ILFx6/4yOMDLsOmJfZXlsgY+a0hjxMQvuZhtUxRk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([77.8.161.77]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MCKFu-1o9rak2PBa-009MhL; Wed, 03 Aug 2022 11:48:00 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 11:47:59 +0200 Cc: Mike Puchol , Dave Taht via Starlink , Rpm , Brennen Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <35295874-298b-4904-ae68-31aea4dfeae6@Spark> To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B8rn_Ivar_Teigen?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:SRaBJr19NK0hy3u82IWPivj/6NLDCxf7THHdnd6mKjfIzvp0WTK +TMG4jmyC5RdmcIw3RBs7KYSH2H484LEQXIDAxz+awJl0TqVNsviMLqzUVoE8nYgot0k7cG Pwm465RBOWMHbk4rlOvkwCNiXaV1cIiUP+ZGmZNTcu1unnk7gvhmxCRnoALI8ATvRMPhCKf ZR/wBdnMlfL8Mf3NqScpg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:7ZpgqtCb0N0=:549Q7v6QL8FcXeG8hZnjXA lnrfDcMCcXfLy4gdidh/VsPA3OnhJLgcxDeF72XyId1+H37Fz8/m0xhgtd0iStLxYePGlenN2 0+2f2M8e5TNVUW3g4EmgXUmegC4wStPlmq7WPRxIdAzYKqcgyllUnyqsttSbCYkIiGebTG8nE h+GDY0BFHXY8LtrMYCuefBHddTaeHCrKAEH75eE6ti8Z335Mn4Wzr2S1QhFVsxZMS5jgKD+oV WbLr1KX9PXJpmiHYViGme7CETqTQ8wTNgjA3s1rNG/wgrzh+D+jH01tLWnEOq/AbzVG8f6Pud vPSwmmcNkKQqP5dGaSL1aBC5RGMNY4AubsN5SsqvTUHHljCnCdGtqG2m+BAVOCutw34eL07Ml SGufyOhmLE5N81ssWFeUklE8ZCxFV1ron0ua7gS6SaZIxTxVtpoygWOSkPapJuN6QRi428rJz eis8Y6tJUga9rk0nLV3+ZVo2xQUzQSgbqH238WcNIoP2kSU0QPFmGHDlkbgspsnG5rqutftNI aPlAJgVCJ8xQRjVuW2cWqwF6Pwq5abSshhPC350P9I1mrmuF+7idSOm2YqK8TTI4in8f2ESf1 tbv2RimjjEMlCIkFMKZCnxc9Fm7vE5D7ACfgX3TZJK3W+rbafm9JARYwZlFZV/Tjv5G5hMi6R llA7jVnwlVYUJxP913WX8q4YOxA7WiV4VyraWuQ1l96ClSgupz+1jyFOGzCQfyN+QKbkHlZ4a v9ShDZ0EFISMq+lCxAyqyBQAkpHUVeRzINDfBTgIANresGymC5SbHjGwlkkEKEw3IT38LRNxU Evzi6lWHPLwPfMOyg9g5R/ueQsipGvgM+uHvXwd1gb+FoAIZ9F8GJB6jJNbzGs9TcImJC/HHU fqRdjdXdQWN+cM/Zxh/moQbaT347p/Y94lU4T/LVcFmhkMDrI7GxoY7o8tdVKLy/caMBE8lXQ RGId9l0YtIhLsapoItNFuBl1lyWkYz4JDHmCaMUVzMoSGTP4FQj5wWoWVTYvItKFZud7mV/4E 8vpqtsdNA7/alBFSyF7UKSGIgilY9o5spNHhEju4718reqL6Fd+KUgqoTvZ0uxW3oUSgyVdiT JqCd9sNn/T0IVFbQ6k+yIYtr6/YGmA2bfeO7WZPhIF8vAUYVu2wCTCOSQ== Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Starlink] LUL 220ms flat over starlink X-BeenThere: rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: revolutions per minute - a new metric for measuring responsiveness List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2022 09:48:03 -0000 Hi All, a decent reminder that GeoIP really is at best an imprecise heuristic, = at worst actively misleading... Always wondered whether one could not use some sort of triangulation to = different endpoints of known location and use the relative RTT = differences to restrict the cone of potential locations.... (that would = require active probes from remote sites being reflected from the host to = be localised, making it not a solution for GeoIP providers, but it might = work for participating endpoints). Regards Sebastian > On Aug 3, 2022, at 10:42, Bj=C3=B8rn Ivar Teigen via Rpm = wrote: >=20 > Seems the GeoIP was wrong this time. Interesting to follow though! And = also interesting that the LUL is so close to the idle latency. >=20 > >=20 > - Bj=C3=B8rn Ivar >=20 >=20 > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:26, Mike Puchol via Starlink = wrote: > The status of ISL has improved considerably over the last two months. = It is now totally feasible to use in-plane (shown in my simulation, blue = lines) and cross-plane (not yet shown, but in use by the constellation) = to deliver traffic from Kyiv to Seattle: >=20 > >=20 > Best, >=20 > Mike > On Aug 2, 2022, 17:17 +0200, Brennen Smith via Starlink = , wrote: >> Compared to GEO Sat links, this is very reasonable latency and = distance. >>=20 >> Either GeoIP is wrong, or they=E2=80=99re starting to balance within = the mesh for capacity. If you look very closely at the maritime = announcement - they=E2=80=99re right on schedule for the latter.=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 07:41 Dave Taht wrote: >> It is my guess over a path this (inaccurately selected? lasered?) >> long, the new speedtest doesn't saturate the link. >>=20 >> https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1554404854763819008 >>=20 >> -- >> FQ World Domination pending: = https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >> -- >> Brennen Smith VP Technology >>=20 >> (206) 739-0807 | brennen@ookla.com >> linkedin.com/in/brennensmith >>=20 >>=20 >> This email, its contents and attachments contain information from = Ziff Davis, Inc. and/or its affiliates which may be privileged, = confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is = intended to be for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, = any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this = message is prohibited. 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