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From: Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: "Dave Täht" <dave.taht@gmail.com>,
	Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Make-Wifi-fast <make-wifi-fast@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	"Keith Winstein" <keithw@cs.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast]  tack - reducing acks on wlans
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 22:37:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <FB3EEB77-C3A6-4752-931F-3239256B388A@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878ryngbbe.fsf@toke.dk>

Hi Toke,


> On Oct 20, 2021, at 13:55, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
> 
> Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> writes:
> 
>> Just reading the introduction:
>> "It is well-studied that medium acquisition overhead in WLAN based on
>> the IEEE 802.11 medium access control (MAC) protocol [11] can severely
>> hamper TCP throughput, and TCP’s many small ACKs are one reason [53,
>> 69]. Basically, TCP sends an ACK for every one or two packets (i.e.,
>> received-packet-driven) [7, 15]. ACKs share the same medium route with
>> data packets, causing similar medium access overhead despite the much
>> smaller size of the ACK- s [8, 31, 36, 50, 58]. Contentions and
>> collisions, as well as the wasted wireless resources by ACKs, lead to
>> significant throughput decline on the data path (see §3.2)."
>> 
>> makes me wonder whether the proper solution would not be to exchange
>> the WiFi MAC with something that is actually suited for existing
>> traffic patterns....
> 
> Well, there are people who want to do that (replace the MAC); it's
> called LTE-U: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_in_unlicensed_spectrum

	And here I thought their idea was to simply grab the "free" Frequency band and use them for their paid services.... 

> I'd much rather keep the WiFi MAC, thankyouverymuch. It may suck (for
> certain values of "suck"), but at least it doesn't impose a centralised
> controller on you :)

	Well, if the price for a more effficient MAC is a central controller, I guess trying to patch up the symptoms of the current MAC is a much better strategy than I gave credit for.... ;)

Regards
	Sebastian


> 
> -Toke


      reply	other threads:[~2021-10-20 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-19 20:12 [Rpm] " Dave Taht
2021-10-19 20:25 ` Matt Mathis
2021-10-19 20:31   ` Omer Shapira
2021-10-20  7:00 ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " Michael Welzl
2021-10-20  9:44   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-20 10:13     ` Michael Welzl
2021-10-20 10:44       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-20 10:54         ` Michael Welzl
2021-10-20 11:52           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-20 12:21             ` Michael Welzl
2021-10-20 15:57               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-20 17:08                 ` Michael Welzl
2021-10-20 22:04                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-20 23:06                     ` Anna Brunström
2021-10-21  6:01                       ` Michael Welzl
2021-10-20 23:20           ` Omer Shapira
2021-10-21  6:19             ` Michael Welzl
2021-10-21  7:18               ` Michael Welzl
2021-10-21  7:57                 ` Keith Winstein
2021-10-21  8:42                   ` Michael Welzl
2021-10-21 20:19                     ` Keith Winstein
2021-10-20 23:08       ` Omer Shapira
2021-10-20 10:58 ` [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2021-10-20 11:55   ` [Rpm] [Make-wifi-fast] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2021-10-20 20:37     ` Sebastian Moeller [this message]

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